Am I missing something ?

[Angusm0628]

First look at this image and take note to the fighter's left hand..

http://skorri.smugmug.com/gallery/83278 ... BgL42-A-LB

Now compare this to the latest revision of the Marshall's handbook regarding hand protection and shields.

4. A shield with a shield basket or equivalent. A shield alone is NOT sufficient, since it covers the back of the hand, but not the fingers, thumb, or wrist.

My question is, Why was this person allowed on the lists while being in violation of this ruling?
Extenuating circumstances perhaps? Or a wink and a nod to the rules sprinkled with "Fight as you like"?

[AndreasMorgan]

Your observation is correct Angus. That is a gross violation of the rules.I believe that is Sir Corby. I know he posts on here and perhaps he will explain.

[white mountain armoury]

Sir Corby I believe, he may have simply forgot to put it on after taking a break during the fighting.
I have gone through inspection, fought, stopped to rest and jumped back into the fray forgetting my demi gaunts, it can happen.

[Aaron]

Sometimes in between breaks something is forgotten.

At West Crown I was partially armoured down and drinking water when they announced the grand melee. I promptly secured my helmet on, put my gauntlets on and went out there...without my arms on.

Someone got a grill shot on me and everything was fine. BUT when I sat down and noticed what I had done, I sat the next grand melee out and drank water...and had my wife make sure that I was properly dressed to play when I go out.

[Adamo]

IIRC, Sir Corby posted some time ago about how he made a super-low-profile gauntlet for his shield hand by wearing an oversized glove and slipping strips of armor grade leather into it.

Adam

[Diglach Mac Cein]

I've seen fighter rush out onto the field and forget to put on their gauntlets, gorget, heck - I saw a guy, polearm in hand run to fight a valhalla bridge battle - without his helm....




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[Aaron]

EXCELLENT point Adam! I forgot that!

-Aaron

[Balin D'Acier]

Take a look at this later pic from the set:
http://skorri.smugmug.com/gallery/83278 ... VuzWV-A-LB

From what I can see there, there is clearly (to me at least) some sort of rigid protection along the thumb line, running from the tip of the thumb back down to the heel of the palm.

You can sort of see it in this photo too:
http://skorri.smugmug.com/gallery/83278 ... 8945_GZhX5

Whatever the construction is, I do not think that is simply a leather gardening glove he has on his hand. Likely there's other low-profile reinforcements that the camera simply isn't catching.

[Angusm0628]

Balin,
Nope you're right. I can see the outline of whatever is in the interior of the glove. Definitely a rigid support in those pics.

[bkillian]

Yes that is super spiff low pro gauntlet. It has leather and padding in it. It is perhaps more protective than most hockey gloves and looks good enough that some one thought it was a violation of the rules

[Balin D'Acier]

Yes that is super spiff low pro gauntlet. It has leather and padding in it. It is perhaps more protective than most hockey gloves and looks good enough that some one thought it was a violation of the rules

Good point. His Excellency Sir Corby is pretty much a genius when it comes to the design of those sorts of things. I wear a demi-gauntlet based off of a design of his (as you can see here: http://skorri.smugmug.com/gallery/83278 ... 2zR6x-A-LB) ... maybe I can find a way to sneak a peek at that shield gauntlet design too

[Baron Logan]

I made one of those gloves after seeing Corby's post. They are awesome. Hardest part was finding a leather glove big enough to accommodate the heavy leather and padding. Wasn't tough. More people should do it.

Thank you Sir Corby.

[Angusm0628]

Yes that is super spiff low pro gauntlet. It has leather and padding in it. It is perhaps more protective than most hockey gloves and looks good enough that some one thought it was a violation of the rules

Hell I'm glad I was missing something. Had I been correct a couple of serious problems would have been present.

First, A fighter, regardless of rank, entering the list in armor that does not meet minimum standards in regards to hand protection.

Second a Marshall that was so asleep at the switch he/she did not to notice such a violation in a singles list. Remedial training would be seriously required for that Marshall. Or better glasses.

[Uneg]

I made one of those gloves after seeing Corby's post. They are awesome. Hardest part was finding a leather glove big enough to accommodate the heavy leather and padding. Wasn't tough. More people should do it.

Thank you Sir Corby.

Indeed, they look awesome. I'm hoping to do something similar.

Here is Sir Corby's previous post.

[Hrolfr]

I made one of those gloves after seeing Corby's post. They are awesome. Hardest part was finding a leather glove big enough to accommodate the heavy leather and padding. Wasn't tough. More people should do it.

Thank you Sir Corby.

Hey Logan, bring it to Border War in Ionia. I would like a peek at it.

[thomas penyngton]

I'd love it if Sir Corby or you, Logan, could start a thread about the construction of those gloves, with some good pics. I'm sure there's lots of early period types that would find it to be really useful.

thomas p

[Broadway]

Look at a thread he wrote called, "An Easy Hard Gauntlet"

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?p=780170

[Kilkenny]

Yes that is super spiff low pro gauntlet. It has leather and padding in it. It is perhaps more protective than most hockey gloves and looks good enough that some one thought it was a violation of the rules

Hell I'm glad I was missing something. Had I been correct a couple of serious problems would have been present.

First, A fighter, regardless of rank, entering the list in armor that does not meet minimum standards in regards to hand protection.

Second a Marshall that was so asleep at the switch he/she did not to notice such a violation in a singles list. Remedial training would be seriously required for that Marshall. Or better glasses.

I know a fighter who has a record of 3-0 without his helm. At least one such bout being in a tournament list with at least one Marshall "supervising".

Sometimes we really screw up. Other times something has been done so right it looks like a screw up

[thomas penyngton]

Look at a thread he wrote called, "An Easy Hard Gauntlet"

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... p?p=780170

ah, thanks. That's cool

thomas p

[Sigifrith Hauknefr]

My question is, Why was this person allowed on the lists while being in violation of this ruling?
Extenuating circumstances perhaps? Or a wink and a nod to the rules sprinkled with "Fight as you like"?

You know, I kind of object to the use of the AA forums for this purpose - especially with an image which has an easily recognizable archiver on it.

What is your actual purpose in posting this?
Did you not recognize Sir Corby? You could have sent him a PM about it.

[Angusm0628]

My question is, Why was this person allowed on the lists while being in violation of this ruling?
Extenuating circumstances perhaps? Or a wink and a nod to the rules sprinkled with "Fight as you like"?

You know, I kind of object to the use of the AA forums for this purpose - especially with an image which has an easily recognizable archiver on it.

What is your actual purpose in posting this?
Did you not recognize Sir Corby? You could have sent him a PM about it.

MY actual purpose in posting this was to see if indeed I was missing something. Thus the post title.
What followed was what I observed. And possible reasons for it to have occurred if indeed what I was seeing was true.

You will also note further down my expressed relief that I was indeed missing something. That being a very very well hidden form of gauntlet.

As to whether or not I recognized Sir Corby. Really not the point of my question. Didn't care who it was. It was the left hand that concerned me not who it was attached to.

[Corby de la Flamme]

Ah, nothing like relief.

And Balin, thanks for the genius vote, but the half gauntlet you based off a design I still use is in fact based off a half gauntlet design showed to me by my good brother Sir Torvald, copied by me first in 1990 or so and probably invented by him in 1985 or so. I stand on the shoulders of giants.

I did lazy my way to the Easy Hard Gauntlets though.

[Baron Alejandro]

You know, I kind of object to the use of the AA forums for this purpose - especially with an image which has an easily recognizable archiver on it.

What is your actual purpose in posting this?
Did you not recognize Sir Corby? You could have sent him a PM about it.

I object to your objection.

[Sigifrith Hauknefr]

eh, maybe I am just cranky today.

Objection withdrawn.

[Ingvarr]

I object to you backing off of your objection so easily.