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I had initially thought that the watershed formed naturally as a result of peening wedge shaped rivets. I'm now convinced that it was a feature that was intentionally formed into the tongs. I have to admit though that I can't really see the utility of it...it seems to be completely aesthetic. Your ...

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Modern made and it is Indian not Persian.

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The Ouddorp Lorica: A Case Study of Roman Lorica Hamata Squamataque, by Martijn A. Wijnhoven VU University Amsterdam, Arts, Department of Archaeology, Classics and Ancient. Once again Martijn A. Wijnhoven has produced an incredible work, take a look and pass it on. https://www.academia.edu/1632005/T...

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For an european eye the upper breast and the shoulders look "exposed" while the back is armoured with plates right up to the neck. Try looking at it with 13th century eyes instead of 15th century eyes, then look up how they fought in the rich parts of 17th century India. Not sure what you mean, 160...

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Did they use any extra shoulder protection? For an european eye the upper breast and the shoulders look "exposed" while the back is armoured with plates right up to the neck. I have never seen any type of shoulder armor on Indian mail or mail and plate armor. Ottoman krug armor has shoulder protect...

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Nice example, these Indian armors were very well made, heavy protection, alternating rows of solid and round riveted links. I can not remember ever seeing someone actually wear one. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/ae/36/2cae36e48fa563b7e17e8fa5223a5261.jpg Below is another example ...

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So I have seen pictures of chain shirts used by re-enactors that basically have buckles up the front and have a leather hem on the bottom and possibly the arms. Is this something that was ever found in the 14th century? Did they just shimmy them on like we did or would they actually have some form ...

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Is there a way, other than trial and error, to figure out the best size and shape of this style armor? I'm making it out of plastic, and will cover it with a tunic. I'm a brand new fighter, so I want as close to full coverage as I can get. Without advise, I will use the tried and true cardboard met...

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I'm interested in making a sort of Arabian kit, and upon thinking I can't remember any sort of straight two handed sword being used in the middle east. Does anyone know if there's record of one being used? I'm a big fan of longswords. Two handed swords were just not used in the middle east, I can n...

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Here is a link to my Pinterest board with all of the chita hazar masha images that I have found, a few images are large, high resolution.

https://www.pinterest.com/worldantiques ... and-nails/

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The person who could answer questions about this type of Indian armor would be Kathryn (Kate) Gill of Kate Gill Textile and Upholstery Conservation Services. She has worked in the Wallace Collection example and would certainly know exactly how the nails were attached and their shape, length etc. Her...

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I don't think that was the case. The nails I do not believe are "just bent over" like 90 degrees. They must be more like shoe nails that are curved back on themselves, otherwise they would fall out. If this was what was done, nails would do the job very well. No need for "proper rivets". It would b...

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Guru_Raj wrote:Hello all, i am part of the SCA and wanted some people to talk toabout making Persian armor... Sikh armor in particular

Sikh armor would be Indian, not Persian. Here is a link to some Indian armor images. https://www.pinterest.com/worldantiques/armor-of-india/

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That is very interesting Mac, so they might have thought that riveting each link was too much work, or maybe that it didn't have the right aesthetic, than just making them from high carbon steel? I have to keep reminding myself that economics in Japan worked so much differently than in the west. So...

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Here are the pictures of one of my suneate. I took a real close look at the mail and it looks like the links were cut by a chisel as they don't close as nice as yours. Nice condition, it has standard Japanese kusari, when used to just connect splints the links sometimes not as strong as when the ku...

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Wow, awesome! Thanks, that is really neat to see. It's interesting that they are using four strikers for hammering out the plate/bar for the wire. That should speed things up a bit. I did notice that the micrograph of the links definitely shows that they were cut by a chisel and not by a saw or nip...

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Thanks, that is much better! :) I still wish he had gone more into the actual construction methods. c'est la vie Jason, there is a good chance that none of the well known Japanese researchers really knew much about kusari construction methods. No one seems to know much about who actually made the w...

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Very cool! :D I was a little disappointed with the section on mail, way too short. Although using a slotted mandrel for cutting the links was interesting. I have a pair of Edo period sunate with mail that I can check to see if there is any evidence for the technique. The mail is goobered with lacqu...

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I have posted links to chapters 7, 8, and 9 of Sasama Yohihiko's 1981 book Nihon no katchu bugu jiten (An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Japanes Arms and Armor), this translation was generously given for free by an secret donor. There is a lot of very valuable information, illustrations and pictures of...

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From the Royal Armouries.

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I had no idea wedge rivets were used outside of Europe! Thanks for posting. I'm not surprised by the demi-riveted construction and wedge rivet combination as much, it is the round-sectioned riveted links with wedge rivets that surprised me, I'm used to seeing flat-sectioned wedge riveted links. The...

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Sorry to revive an old thread, but I think I can help out with a bit of experimentation. I recently made a patch of mail with a considerable amount of scale on it. I will be buying some wheat bran this week and tumbling it, I'll be happy to post the results. Here's the before... https://s-media-cac...

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Hold the phone, demi-riveted construction with round-sectioned links with wedge rivets? Am I seeing that correctly? I will take some additional close up images soon. I have a feeling that this may be Circassian riveted mail and at least some examples of Circassian mail seem to have been wedge rivet...

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A 20-35 pound hauberk doesn't take up a lot of space: Think shoebox size. Here is a perfect example, this is a very old and very rusty 20+ lb hauberk in a 12''x12''x5.5'' box, it has been sitting in someones house for several decades, somehow I need to remove the rust in order to photograph and ide...

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well i finally did it . i have saved enough to purchase a mild steel flat ring riveted chain hauberk. i am using a shock doctor football pad shirt with padding on the ribs kidneys and shoulders along with a kydex kidney belt. all under a tunic with the chain over top. i have been working on getting...

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There are a thousands of articles available for a limited time at: http://explore.tandfonline.com/page/ah/archaeology-heritage-free-access Most are non-armour related but there are intreresting bits and pieces here and there. Maybe we can share some links to interesting finds here? I've just been b...

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Greetings esteemed Archivers! I have some questions and would also like your opinion on something. In particular, I would like your opinion on this video by Lindybeige which just came out. For those not in the mood to watch the video, this individual is wondering (as I am wondering!!!) how maille c...

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http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/armour/mail/mail.html he mentions us and Erik. I like this from his site......"note that every link is joined by a rivet".....I guess he missed the 50% of the links that were solid and not riveted. :wink: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/a3/c0/2ca3c...

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I just came across this. Never heard of this site before but it has some interesting things on it. https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/28877012_helmet-italian-barbutesallet-c-1470 Still looking at the barbute itself. Some things stand out but wanted to see what others, Wade perhaps, might think. R...

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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1 ... 4.11408908

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Top image shows European wedge riveted mail with watershed, the bottom image shows European round riveted mail with no watershed. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/36/13/9e/36139e6781494b46296bc478fe7388d6.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/45/d2/b8/45d2b852c76fa2d5c33ba...

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The Tofta coif from the mid-13th century uses round-section rivets. An interesting example but I am not sure that this would help Jorge to reproduce round riveted mail. No, but it is contrary evidence to this statement, as rings have been sectioned to determine the rivet shape. Unfortunately there ...

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Ernst pointed out that some examples of Japanese riveted mail were right handed, while others are left handed. So it seems that in some cultures there was not an established way to make it. What other examples are there. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f5/91/96/f59196c92f210050e8b2ea6...

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Ernst wrote:The Tofta coif from the mid-13th century uses round-section rivets.

An interesting example but I am not sure that this would help Jorge to reproduce round riveted mail.

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I've been looking at the Vimose rings lately. If you can offer some examples of round riveted European mail I may have missed I'd be very appreciative. Unfortunately there are almost no verifiable, public images of round riveted mail from the pre-wedge rivet era. Since most mail is not photographed...

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