The Armour Archive

Len Parker

They’re calling that a kendouklon. Not armour but worn on top. They did wear felt alone. Scroll down to pages 50/51 for Leo’s original text and translation: https://www.academia.edu/83216258/Byzantine_Army_The_concise_10th_11th_century_AD_imperial_infantry_and_cavalry_soldier This would be at least ...

Len Parker

These barbarians look like they might be wearing felt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk_o ... 05part.jpg Compare it to the modern Greek Sarakatsani cloak: https://www.academia.edu/75548924/DRAFT ... _id=142749

Len Parker

The 10th century Sylloge Tacticorum https://dokumen.pub/a-tenth-century-byzantine-military-manual-the-quotsylloge-tacticorumquot-1472470281-9781472470287-9781315565316.html has both infantry and cavalry wearing padded armour as an option. Infantry: “In addition, they should wear lorikia, or even kli...

Len Parker

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01 ... rg-castle/

Len Parker

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ma ... emling.jpg I was going to use that as an example but I wasn't sure if they were buttons or just round stitchwork.

Len Parker

Yes, the doublet. You see many modern studded doublet/gambesons like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/386053289397 That's why I'm curious as to whether the studs were likely to be cloth or metal.

Len Parker

It looks like they’re using both cloth and metal during the period: https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/51117835998/in/album-72157603129095611/ This is later but interesting: https://historicaltextiles.org/a-green-velvet-brigandine-from-the-16th-century/ There’s two rivets per plate and the re...

Len Parker

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipila ... /album-721 I guess there’s no way to tell from a sculpture but which is more likely? I can’t find anything from the period to compare it to.

Len Parker

This https://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cme/EEWill ... w=fulltext has a pare glovis of plate white and also a pare of glovys of plate blacke.

Len Parker

The armscyes aren’t as deep as the Charles de Blois but I think it might still be a grande assiette. I notice some have the upper sleeve go past the elbow. Looks like an easier design than the Charles de Blois. Here’s a few examples: https://manuscriptminiatures.com/4317/10194 - https://manuscriptmi...

Len Parker

Would this be a grande assiette: http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/1_Origina ... 01_139.htm

Len Parker

Sounds like a good explanation. I hadn't thought about different ring size.

Len Parker

This has probably been asked before, but what do you think these guys on the left are wearing? https://www.flickr.com/photos/111072739@N03/11325481715/in/album-72157638580817145/ and https://www.flickr.com/photos/111072739@N03/11325634263/in/album-72157638580817145/ I would normally think it was mea...

Len Parker

Could he be wearing one of these: https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/ ... /Zona.html Reminds me of the Stuttgart Psalter.

Len Parker

Here’s two more that look similar to the cavalry man: https://www.livius.org/pictures/spain/merida-emerita-augusta/merida-museum-pieces/merida-relief-with-a-victorious-emperor/ This one has more detail: https://www.livius.org/pictures/germany/mainz-mogontiacum/mainz-temple-of-isis/mainz-temple-of-is...

Len Parker

The Low Ham mosaic from Somerset: https://www2.uned.es/geo-1-historia-antigua-universal/ROMA%20HISTORIA/LEYENDAS/LEYENDAS_ENEAS_DIDO_VIRGILIO.htm Some info and a nice reconstruction: https://www.academia.edu/36422758/A_putative_portrayal_of_a_5th_century_centenarius_from_Britain_Benjamin_Franckaert_...

Len Parker

This is from the Arch of Constantine, dated 315. I thought about the spikey hair but I didn't know they were still doing that in the 4th century.

Len Parker

Would these be felt caps? https://open.conted.ox.ac.uk/sites/open ... k=0FhJerip and https://open.conted.ox.ac.uk/sites/open ... k=hDh4nQct

Len Parker

It could also be something like the sculpture of mars (not that we’re sure what that is either): https://x-legio.com/en/wiki/subarmalis Scroll down to the bas-relief from Volterra showing a soft subarmalis. I think this is the guy on the left here: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-abduction-of-hele...

Len Parker

Here’s a direct link: https://vici.org/image.php?id=20121 This could be just exaggerated folds of a tunic, but I don’t think so. Look at the sleeve. It looks like separate segments (pteruges). Like these: https://historum.com/t/lorica-hamata-vs ... st-1833097

Len Parker

Do we have a Roman cavalry man in padded armour? https://vici.org/vici/80594/

Len Parker

https://archive.org/details/recordofeur ... ew=theater I'm never sure with old armour books whether this stuff is legit or not.

Len Parker

It might be similar to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermengol_ ... _of_Urgell If those are plates on the feet I would assume they're plates on the body. I believe the effigy is original and the sarcophagus is restored. I think.

Len Parker

Not that early, but still interesting: https://manuscriptminiatures.com/4170/7886 and https://vk.com/photo-11029306_457275135

Len Parker

Looks like these laws weren't put into writing until the 13th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulating

Len Parker

This looks like a paunchy guy from your period: https://armourinart.com/249/403

Len Parker

I wouldn't know how to verify this, but here https://books.google.com/books?id=bkIMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA257 you have king Haakon ln 940 ordering everyone worth 18 marks to have a bryniu or panzar.

Len Parker

Njal's Saga has: Sigmundur var i pansara. https://is.wikisource.org/wiki/Brennu-N ... ls_saga/45

Len Parker

This might be an 11th century gambeson: http://warfare.6te.net/11/Fatimid_Brind ... _11thC.htm

Len Parker

I think I found what he was trying to show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_mos ... Ma3457.jpg

Len Parker

Compare https://vk.com/photo-11029306_456244004 to what Henry is wearing https://effigiesandbrasses.com/712/967 I think these were designed for the new slender waist look of the 1340's.
Edit: I meant to compare this https://vk.com/photo-11029306_456261609 to Henry. Particularly the skirt.

Len Parker

I think I found a 1340's COP: https://vk.com/photo-11029306_456261609

Len Parker

Any thoughts on what this could be? https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergilius_Vaticanus It's worn throughout the manuscript. Sometimes it almost looks like a musculata. It's a bit strange though.

Len Parker

Sean, thanks for that. I took the incomplete quote from here: Notes [43] https://skookumpete.com/adrianople/ It's still not entirely clear.

Len Parker

Sean, you say the thoracomachus was worn under the armour in de rebus bellicis, but I don't think that's right. Here it only says the thoracomachus was worn: “So when…the soldier has donned this Thoracomachus (which has adopted this name from the Greek because it protects the body), and has put on s...

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