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wcallen

I have resisted mentioning this because the goal here is for a hollow roll. Hollow rolls I have tended to work in ways that simulate what you are doing. But I often don't do hollow rolls. Many of my rolls have been smaller. They were either for other parts of armor, or they were for my boy, so they ...

wcallen

Mark II https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/cd/ed/29cded7e5edcc48083ac598ca9aa51f4.jpg Brother, it just Struck me... you can't just turn it outwards like that. You have to stretch it with a straight peen. Did u do that? You nick the line where the roll starts, bend out just a few degrees, then you st...

wcallen

Wierd thought... what happens if you turn an inwards roll on a straight piece and only then curl it up keeping the roll inwards... does the roll magically turn outwards where it is needed, all without thinning? [Now why would I ask sth stupid like that... simple. Someone here once wrote sth that I ...

wcallen

If all goes well, I will be talking in St. Louis as part of this:
https://www.smrs-slu.org/
I will have some armor there too.
I am not specifically talking about how to make armor, but I am talking about armor and letting attendees play with pieces.

Wade

wcallen

The primary difference between what I posted and what you have is the depth of the shape. To keep it simple - you need to bash yours into the dish more. I am assuming that you are not trying to make a very particular style of early 16th c. munition shoulder that could have a pretty flat shoulder cop...

wcallen

And, a really silly question - where are you located? There might be someone near you who would be willing to give you a little bit of basic quality time. That can help a lot. I remember getting pieces to the stage you show and not understanding that it is just time to whack it some more.

Wade

wcallen

As usual, a lot will depend on what you are trying to achieve. Personally, for most styles of spaulder (there are exceptions) I would want more depth in the cop. Look here for a later style - https://www.european-armour.com/A-56.html or even later: https://www.european-armour.com/A-324.html Yours wi...

wcallen

The nice things about my spaulders are: - the shaping isn't very aggressive. You don't have to bang out a whole cop into a quarter sphere or anything troublesome like that. - they are kind of pretty - they aren't just like everyone else's. The not so nice things are: - the points are really annoying...

wcallen

I haven't been looking here much. I will try to do better.
Enjoy the straight strip. It really is a different way to play the game. The working method feels more crafty and less mechanical to me. So, it is more fun for me.

Wade

wcallen

Thanks Wade a lot for your response and the previous one. I started out with some simple spaulders. I took a look at what you posted and that looks awesome!! I want to try that out, but probably too advanced for me at this point. I will post pictures of my progress as you suggested. Right now, I hav...

wcallen

Thanks to you and to Patrick for doing this. It was a blast to watch.

Wade

wcallen

Hello Wade, and thanks for the input! Yes, A-227 shows it nicely. I just didn't know what I was looking for earlier, hence the long and complex deliberation with ChatGPT. A-213 is there yes, but the trick-shots you took for me, linked above, are not on the gauntlet page. They are only accessible wi...

wcallen

A-213 seems to be on the main gauntlets page. Should have been there for a while. It is a single gauntlet, so it just shows up as a single in the image. Kristoffer did a nice job of emphasizing the non-straightness of a gauntlet with a later one. Just for fun, here is another one (again, later): htt...

wcallen

A punch is fast. My first one has lasted for decades.
You will always end up with some holes where the punch just won't reach, so you will end up needing a drill anyway. I use cobalt bits.

Wade

wcallen

If you want a different style of spaulder, I recently designed and built these. The picture shows the initial drawings that I did to work out details of the design. If interested, I can add a picture of the patterns for this one. <edit> I added the patterns anyway. That way the information is availa...

wcallen

A few thoughts on starting the armoring journey. - have fun. - the first pieces won't turn out the way you want. - learn what armor actually looked like and how it worked. They knew what they were doing. - watching videos of people who know what they are doing (Eric Dube is a fine example) is a bett...

wcallen

I just wandered over here and noticed the thread. I guess I should look more often. Straight strips. Really, it's the way to go. I think that there are lots of reasons for this. For me the most important is that it teaches you that what you start with isn't what you end with and it frees your mind t...

wcallen

Answering for my experience, not Mac's. You can move massive amounts of material in if you want to. Generally you pick an amount that optimizes whatever matters most to you. You might want to "lock in" all of the edges and make sure that you are only pushing in the weld. Or you might want to do a li...

wcallen

Also, at some point I expect that you will find out that sign material is pretty thick. Getting a good roll and hinge in that will be more trouble than it would be in proper thickness material. A lot more trouble... I don't know if you have any scrap yards around you, but it can be worth spending a ...

wcallen

right now Im wondering if I should diverge from the original and other reproductions of it by not having the hinge be integral and insted making a seperate set of hinges and making them fit up to cutouts where the hinges would be otherwise, thoughts? Gorgets were made both ways. With integral hinge...

wcallen

I think that the involved discussion on the "Can" method of making helmets is worth having in one of the lists of good threads. Whether you actually want to "can" the piece or not, there is a lot of general volume information and discussion of helmet form. http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/view...

wcallen

Mac,

I'll get some in the next few days. Stay tuned.

Wade

wcallen

This is probably my best existing picture:

It gives a pretty good impression of the cop.

Wade

wcallen

I don't have all that many knees. They are annoyingly hard to find. I do have: https://www.european-armour.com/A-200.html https://www.european-armour.com/A-162.html https://www.european-armour.com/A-169.html My other knees are part of knee length tassets and they are often not designed to work compl...

wcallen

As an example of lames crossing each other under the knuckle plate: https://www.european-armour.com/images/A-122-inside-knuckles.jpg This case is a lot more aggressive than Mac's drawing. The hand is on the right, fingers on the left. You can see the thumb hinge on the bottom. In this case, when the...

wcallen

Yes, producing a book is a LOT of trouble. Most people have spent time building armor instead of writing a book that won't sell many copies. Back in the day, a little bit showed up in "The Hammer." Brian Price did do a very good job of documenting a very specific set of builds for a specific set of ...

wcallen

and... the same gauntlet fingers straight:

Wade

wcallen

Mac, That is very well thought out and described. Thank you so much for putting all the work in to show the theory behind these things. I own one piece that reflects a (well done) version of what you are describing in the latest post. I had to take a new picture to show it properly curled up to refl...

wcallen

The torso form on which I have the thing hung at the moment (only one I have that works for this shirt at all) extends a little to far in the center back and center front to allow me to really simulate a human crotch. It also has a centrally mounted post support, so that gets in the way too. I have ...

wcallen

Interesting to see a brayette without the front triangle/pouch! Based on the description on your site, you would surmise this was an intentional design, and not a later-life removal? When I was looking at it for purchase I assumed that it had lost a front triangle. It may have. But... there is at l...

wcallen

It has been a while, so I guess I should put something out here. I recently purchased a new (to me) shirt of mail. People who know better than I have helped me to date it to the 15th c. It includes a little crotch flap. I have marked the main body of the piece to show how it was tailored to actually...

wcallen

Madmatt - you are in Ontario? Look up Eric Dube on youtube. He was one of the first to really publish good stuff on building armor out there. And he is (at least sort of) up your way.... After you watch the videos it can really help to see if you can stop by and visit with someone with a shop. We al...

wcallen

Mac, before You continue - it might be possible You are blinded by focus. The direction You are modelling the articulation in only occurs in gusseted elbows (compression articulation). Everywhere else the bow is on the other side. I mean, technicalities still apply. Just thought...before You get to...

wcallen

Looking good. As to the pauldrons catching under the backplate when you move forward, I have encountered that problem. There can be a lot of underlying issues that lead to this. The most basic thing that can cause this is when the upper edge of the pauldron at the back is more vertical than normal. ...

wcallen

I took the images at the Frist a couple of weeks ago. So they are new. I live in the third world country of North Carolina, so my internet connection is terrible. Normally I am only able to share when I get together and I can use a USB connection. I took 20 + hours to upload these images because Tom...

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