The Armour Archive

clifford rogers

Nice. Thanks.

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From Michael Harbinson, "The lance in the fifteenth century: how French cavalry overcame the English defensive system in the latter part of the Hundred Years War," in JMMH 17: "The arrêt de cuirasse could also be attached to one of the lames of a brigandine, which was especially enlarged to accommod...

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This is from a MS (http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/de/list/o ... -hist0033b) dated 1420-1440. The style of helmet shown here appears twice in it. I'm thinking that might allow a somewhat more precise dating (at least tentatively). What's the earliest other image of a similar helm?

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Cliff

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Hm, that's https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=102 ... 5576279212

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Anyone recognize this fresco? I forgot to write down the information.

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From Rogers, Soldiers' Lives, p. 31: "All the various sorts of metal armor had to be worn with some sort of padding underneath. The padded, quilted tunic, often called an aketon, purpoint, or gambeson,[108] was intended to enhance the protection of the torso as well as providing daily comfort. Such ...

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Hi all, I did do a search for previous discussions, though perhaps not a really thorough one. What do we know about the thickness of wire in European hauberks through the 13th or early 14th century? Of course, the thicker the wire the stronger the defense [perhaps around to the power of 1.6, as with...

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Li avenirs des Reinoudeis fu si estranges sur Daneis que sur escuz e sur quirées e sur broines menu maelées bruisent mil lances de sapin si que li champ e li chemin en sunt tuit junchée e covert (p214, lines 3765-3771) "...against shields, cuirasses, and byrnies of tight mail[/small rings], they br...

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https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/file/i ... _-_Arm.pdf

Thought there'd be some interest in this here. On the making and use of swords, spears/lances, and axes.

Cliff

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This should be perfect for you.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185915 ... brunner-20

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Thanks for posting this interesting document, but I'm afraid you've misunderstood what it is all about-- which is understandable since the Old French is rather difficult. As the first part (which your transcript does not include) shows, it addresses the question of what items of equipment should go ...

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NeeSayer wrote:La sinistre remis?

Am I getting closer? I reached out to a couple friends and that's what we came up with but still a work in progress

It's a lot easier to translate from than to, but can you explain the meaning and context of what you are trying to say?

clifford rogers

The way I read it (and after re-reading the original post) it sounds like you wanted to know the reasonable distance that you can shoot with a longbow. My guess is that you need a long bow in the 130 lb. range. But it will greatly be affected by the limb speed and the ammo. A heavy arrow on a 130 l...

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I'd need to revisit, but none of the maps I've seen were platted with scales marked in such a way that distances under different assumptions can be gauged. Take a look at this one, which I think is the best guess as to the English position and formation. The squares are 1 km and you can easily matc...

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Comrades, 1. I'm not trying to get at the range. I know the range for target competition was up to 260 yards; I want to know how strong a longbow has to be for that to be not pointless. 2. At Crecy (as at most HYW battles) the French attacked the English line so there's know way to know from the ter...

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Harry, Again, I thank you for the specific information about your experience you offered in your first post. Regarding your physics and your math, you seem to basically be saying (or at least implying) that being able to hit a target with an arrow at 220 or 260 yards was impossible. My general rule ...

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No, I'm not suggesting they hit the bullseye every time, or even that they hit the outer ring, or even that they hit the haybale. But I think they probably hit the haybale often and the bullseye sometimes. Otherwise, the competition would be no fun.

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What is the longest range you think you could realistically shoot at a target, and what is the draw-weight of your bow. As for the longer ranges - 200+ yards - if you're shooting into a mass formation of men I don't think that you have to be very accurate in order to cause disruption. Thanks for th...

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Dan, It's not enough to know the answer, but I think it is enough to help bracket it. I don't think my 65-70 pound longbow could enable me (even if I were a better archer) to participate in a target-shooting contest at 260 yards without badly embarassing myself. But maybe a good archer will tell me ...

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In other cultures such as medieval Turkey and Japan they often didn't use war arrows in these kinds of competitions. They used lighter arrows specifically intended for flight shooting. It is possible that the same thing occurred in Calais so looking at these competitions may not tell us anything us...

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We know from the Mary Rose bows that elite military archers of Tudor times commonly used bows of 150+ pound draw weight, but what was the draw weight of an _average_ bow at Crecy or Agincourt? The short answer of course is that we don't know. However, it occurred to me that we could get some sense o...

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http://search.wellcomelibrary.org/iii/e ... 1?lang=eng

E.g. 24v.

I'd think this is somewhat earlier than 1420. Thoughts?

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Tom B. wrote:There also is some good stuff in
Soldiers' Lives through History - Middle Ages by Rogers, Clifford J.

There are a couple of much cheaper used copies on Amazon

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If you actually want first-hand accounts (vs. contemporary) Froissart generally isn't. Waurin's [=Wavrin's] chronicle is in places (he was a soldier and was at Agincourt and Verneuil), and there is some testimony from the retrial of Joan of Arc that qualifies. If contemporary and well-informed is go...

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a heavy, dull shaft: https://books.google.com/books?id=I1AQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA125

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The Civil War chapters are already live, you can get them for iPad from iTunes, or the web-based version from the website I noted.

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I'm co-senior editor for the project as a whole (71 chapters) and one of two chapter editors for each chapter. There is a web version but the part that I'm mainly concerned with is the iBook, for use on an iPad (or iOS computer).

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Yes, Richard Barber uses it as one of his sources. Kelly is working on a whole book on Crecy, along with a co-author. I haven't actually read it-- I've been so busy working on the _West Point History of Warfare_ project (http://www.westpointhistoryofwarfare.com/) that I haven't had any time for my o...

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It's an anonymous Roman chronicle- http://www.adelphi.it/libro/9788845904080. Richard Barber uses it in his 2013 book and Kelly DeVries will be using it in his. It is interesting but parts of it are clearly imaginary (Prince Edward charges into the French on horseback; a French count takes him priso...

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Oakeshott says there were 6 foot bows found in the danish bogs, but he isn't sure they were pulled back to the ear or chest. If we believe Saxo then these were longbows, right? Maybe? Just speculating. Most likely they would have been pulled to the ear or chin (ish) because the main reason to make ...

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The original would be in Latin. I did not have the opportunity to check the original by going to the archives at Kew at the time I was working on that article, but I can deduce from the translation what the Latin is. (For length, by the way, the translation says "two ells" - ells would be ulne; I s...

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At the battle of Bravellir (dark-age) Saxo (c.1208) has Gotlanders arrows penetrating armour because of tightly strung bows. "For the skilled archers of the Gotlanders strung their bows so hard that the shafts pierced through even the shields; nothing proved more murderous; for the arrow-points mad...

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Russ, I'd say there's good reason to think he's pretty "usual": In the late 13th century archers were generally considered ineffective against armored men-at-arms, but in the 1330s-50s that was not the case.

Cliff

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The original would be in Latin. I did not have the opportunity to check the original by going to the archives at Kew at the time I was working on that article, but I can deduce from the translation what the Latin is. (For length, by the way, the translation says "two ells" - ells would be ulne; I sh...

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Cliff: not familiar with that source -- anything you can share to help me out with it? The document is actually the first real evidence of the existence of a longbow, and is from 1313 not 1317 as I said from memory. John, son of Roger de Swinnerton-- is described as employing in a murder a bow two ...

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