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- Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:12 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Making Very Thin Sheet Iron
- Replies: 4
- Views: 2978
Re: Making Very Thin Sheet Iron
There would be two ways to make thin sheet. Worked hot, with large amounts of scale being formed and reducing the overall size of sheet. Cold working with frequent annealing, with scale loss reduced. This will be dictated by quality of iron billet and its slag content and chemical composition and th...
- Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:29 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: What NOT to do with 4130
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2323
Re: What NOT to do with 4130
This should be a link to an interesting book on understanding he a treating. It's written with blade makers in mind. But armour uses thin sections of carbon steel. The final requirements for armour are different but understanding how and why is useful. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=...
- Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:58 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: What NOT to do with 4130
- Replies: 11
- Views: 2323
Re: What NOT to do with 4130
This should be a link to an interesting book on understanding he a treating. It's written with blade makers in mind. But armour uses thin sections of carbon steel. The final requirements for armour are different but understanding how and why is useful. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=...
- Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:57 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Railroad Track Armouring Anvil
- Replies: 64
- Views: 4097
Re: Railroad Track Armouring Anvil
Think of using the rail track end on to make a post anvil. The more mass under the hammer the better the anvil works. Making an anvil with a bickhorn from track will limit the size of work you can a achieve easily. A long flat area can be helpful when forging but isn't necessary. Here is a picture I...
- Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:32 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Questions on working pure iron
- Replies: 6
- Views: 954
Re: Questions on working pure iron
I've only used it in bar form. Really soft in comparison to mild never noticed it work hardening. But never worked it cold either. I'd expect it to work harden and need annealing as you work. For armour I'd look at some form of case hardening or explicitly state that it's for display only.
Andrew
Andrew
- Sun May 21, 2017 12:02 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Visiting Sweden?
- Replies: 4
- Views: 596
Visiting Sweden?
Just want to tap into the hive mind. I'm after suggestions for places to visit in Sweden. Planning to spend a few days in Stockholm with some day trips to places like Birka and Uppsala. Obviously viking is of interest but anything historical would be considered. Presently thinking of going south to ...
- Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:13 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Forced air gas burner as a heat source?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 621
Re: Forced air gas burner as a heat source?
I haven't used one that relies on compressed air. I use a burner in my welding forge that has a fan to supply the air. It's easy to control temperature and combustion (rich or lean), far easier then Venturi burners. Not sure if i see any benefit in buying one over making on. If you have a compressor...
- Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:23 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Real Armeria - Madrid
- Replies: 3
- Views: 658
Re: Real Armeria - Madrid
I haven't been for about 10 years. But if the armoury is open you can go in without guide. Light levels are low with no flash allowed. Not sure about tripods. If you know the dates you will be there check there website for opening times, or try calling to see if they are open. I have a habit of trav...
- Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:11 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 719167
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
Have you tried trimming the tip into a point and using white wood glue to form the point? This works well for lacing jap armours so should help.
Andrew
Andrew
- Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:42 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Peters Ellrichshausen Project
- Replies: 43
- Views: 3859
Re: Peters Ellrichhausen Project
The point I was trying to make was the change in steel production in the 14th-15thC. This has been linked by Williams to the introduction of large breastplates and one piece helmets. If you look at the micrographs and see how the slag changes. There are differences in individual pieces but over time...
- Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:14 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Peters Ellrichshausen Project
- Replies: 43
- Views: 3859
Re: Peters Ellrichhausen Project
If you want to copy medical armour. Look at refining cast iron a chaffery furnace. If you read Knight and the blast furnace. There is a change from bloomery to blast furnace, making cast iron. The cast iron is melted in chaffery removing carbon. The HARD part is learning to control final carbon leve...
- Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:27 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Traditional Armor Finishing Processes
- Replies: 225
- Views: 60013
Re: Traditional Armor Finishing Processes
Not sure if getting thick bull neck is going to be much easier than walrus. Thick hides in the UK are difficult to get hold of due to castle being slaughtered at 36 months to reduce the risk of bse (mad cow disease). Good solid shoes hides are hard to find compare to the 80's. From memory walrus can...
- Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:16 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Traditional Armor Finishing Processes
- Replies: 225
- Views: 60013
Re: Traditional Armor Finishing Processes
I came across plans for making a polishing wheel from the late 19thc/early 20th c that used walrus hide. The wheel was about 4 ft in diameter from memory. Made in two parts with the hide having slots cut out so they lock into the wooden sides. This then attached onto an arbor permanently. I don't re...
- Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:30 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Oxy-Propane torch setup
- Replies: 6
- Views: 716
Re: Oxy-Propane torch setup
Not sure how well acetylene tips will work on oxy/propane? I use propane burner heads the smallest seem to be the easiest to control and use less oxy. For really small spots I do use welding tips (size 8-14). I do t think there should be any difference in using 6mm or 8mm pipes. As you will get the ...
- Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:09 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Goll's Thesis Topic #4: Interesting New (to you) Objects
- Replies: 103
- Views: 6268
Re: Goll's Thesis Topic #4: Interesting New (to you) Objects
If you get the chase to visit Pisa look for the collection of armour used for the gioco del ponte. There were at least five 15th c armets plus lots of other early bits very much altered. The gioco del ponte is now a form of tug of war using some form of steel seating which lasts hours. The fighting ...
- Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:30 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Goll's Thesis Topic #4: Interesting New (to you) Objects
- Replies: 103
- Views: 6268
Re: Goll's Thesis Topic #4: Interesting New (to you) Objects
I think the mark of GP tells us it's been doctored with. Trying to match illustrations. Trying to guess how many original helms were butchered to make this 3?
Andrew
Andrew
- Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:59 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Armour collections? Portugal?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 303
Armour collections? Portugal?
Hi all. I'm planning a visit to Portugal and don't know of any armour collections in Portugal but want to see if the hive mind knows of any? Also there was a web site that has a list of armour collections around the world. I can't find it to see if there were any listed on it.
Thanks Andrew
Thanks Andrew
- Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:39 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: "Buff" coats made of wool felt?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 3104
Re: "Buff" coats made of wool felt?
There are portraits showing breastplates worn over buff coats. But I haven't seen any surviving buff coats showing any wear from armour. Most of the buff coats surviving tend to be higher status pieces. There are references to buying buff coats in London during the civil war as "not being able to bu...
- Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:10 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: "Buff" coats made of wool felt?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 3104
Re: "Buff" coats made of wool felt?
I'd be interested in what evidence they have for felt over leather?
Andrew
Andrew
- Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:35 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: glueing leather with hide glue?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 938
Re: glueing leather with hide glue?
Sorry for delay in answering but I have sporadic access to Internet. I'm trying to make a very small welsh (Wrexham) buckler to try out the brass capped rivets I've made and see what issues there are in construction. The first is gluing the two layers of leather together. I'll try and make time to m...
- Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:49 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: glueing leather with hide glue?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 938
glueing leather with hide glue?
Hi all, Looking for insight on how to glue sections of leather together with hide glue. I tried to glue a couple of 5 inch round pieces together flesh side to flesh side. All the glue did was soak in and harden. tried again after ten minuets with no difference. What am I missing. Both pieces had bee...
- Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:22 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: The start of a Journey: professional armouring
- Replies: 560
- Views: 39937
Re: The start of a Journey: professional armouring
Looking good. What resist and acid did you use?
Andrew
Andrew
- Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:55 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Gas forge question.
- Replies: 36
- Views: 3718
Re: Gas forge question.
If you can afford the 1400c ceramic fibre buy it. My first forges I used 1275c fibre. It worked ok but needed changing after nine months or so. Though this was used for forge welding It did shrink a bit but nothing excessive. My worst experience with refractory was with some 2 inch thick fibre board...
- Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:29 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Arms & Armour in the Collection of Her Majesty The Queen
- Replies: 15
- Views: 1047
Re: Arms & Armour in the Collection of Her Majesty The Queen
Think how much longer it would have taken it Ian haven't left the armouries?
Andrew
Andrew
- Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:00 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Coppergate (York) Helm photos
- Replies: 2
- Views: 504
Re: Coppergate (York) Helm photos
It is worth hazarding the trip as it is presently on show at the Yorkshire museum. Heard a rumour it may be going on tour in 2017 to several museums in the UK.
Andrew
Andrew
- Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:01 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 719167
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
My thought would be to take a couple of idetincal items (from the pile of shame?) and triple normalise one correcting after each cooling cycle. then compare after the final quench. This isn't considered a commercial method of production due to time / fuel costs. But knife makers don't seem to bother...
- Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:15 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 719167
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
Hi Mac, One idea of limiting flexing in greaves might be to look at triple normalising? It is very popular for knife makers. Start with an austenising temp anneal, air cool then repeat after straightening but at lower austenite temp, re-straighten and final temp as low as possible austenite temp and...
- Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:14 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 719167
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
Extracted has the same set up I have. Except mine doesn't have the ear muffs, still trying to justify getting some. Though I do wear a pair underneath. I used to have a light weight grinding visor. More comfortable to wear for extended length of time, but your neck gets dirtier. I have with these wi...
- Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:34 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 719167
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
If you look for any of the versaflo or Jupiter 3m models. There are different face masks available depending on protection required. The can also be used with the speed glass welding make with the appropriate filters.
Andrew
Andrew
- Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:19 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 719167
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
Getting a goo face fit with aaabeard is very difficult. I like using the 3m air feed respirators. Expensive new but they do come up cheap on evil bay. Think I paid about £100 for mine. Just check that you can still buy spare. The visor never fogs up, in summer you have a cool breeze over your face. ...
- Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:20 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Dusting off the cobwebs
- Replies: 2658
- Views: 719167
Re: Dusting off the cobwebs
Regarding the heat belt. In my home brew I occasionally us a heat belt to control the brew temperature. The lower the belly is fitted the hotter the brew becomes. I think the area above the belt is heated so the lower I'd placed then there is more area above to be heated.
Andrew
Andrew
- Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:54 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Gas forge question.
- Replies: 36
- Views: 3718
Re: Gas forge question.
As far as I remember with kawool/ceramic fibre is relatively safe cutting it up when new, though I used a dust mask just in case. But becomes more dangerous when heated which changes the state of the fibres. Which is why you need to use rigidizer, I also coat with a layer of fire cement to seal the ...
- Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:41 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Looking for fine bucklers
- Replies: 7
- Views: 608
Re: Looking for fine bucklers
Checking my notes there is an article by Claude Blair on welsh bucklers in the "Antiquaries journal 1982 pt1. He. Has compiled a list of over 30 bucklers or parts which are device into three groups.
There are some nice images in the recent book on arms and armour of Henry viii.
Andrew
There are some nice images in the recent book on arms and armour of Henry viii.
Andrew
- Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:57 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Gas forge question.
- Replies: 36
- Views: 3718
Re: Gas forge question.
You could also look into forced air forges. Far simpler to make, adjust and can cope with a wide variety of forge sizes. I would recommend using ceramic fibre as your lining with rigidizer/fire cement coating. Using a solid of cast lining takes a time to get to temperature. If you are running all da...
- Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:31 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Looking for fine bucklers
- Replies: 7
- Views: 608
Re: Looking for fine bucklers
Check out Wrexham and welsh bucklers. There are several around of different sizes and level of decoration..
There is a gilded one in Paris, a couple at the MOL in different states of repair. The RA Leeds has a couple on show.
Andrew
There is a gilded one in Paris, a couple at the MOL in different states of repair. The RA Leeds has a couple on show.
Andrew