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- Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:35 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: How to clean a mail shirt
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1007
Re: How to clean a mail shirt
Historically, bran was used.
- Fri May 14, 2021 4:52 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: lorica squamata
- Replies: 5
- Views: 898
Re: lorica squamata
Volume 2 of the Journal of the Mail Research Society is entirely dedicated to mail-and-scale.
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- Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:49 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: A&A Daggers vs. Jack Test
- Replies: 4
- Views: 732
Re: A&A Daggers vs. Jack Test
Fiore was talking about the vulnerabilities that are inherent in any armour. He wasn't talking about punching through armour, he was talking about exploiting those weaknesses.
- Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:00 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Even moar 3D armours?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 1287
Re: Even moar 3D armours?
Very nice job. If you want bonus points you'll have to feed it into a 3d printer and show us the results.
- Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:11 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Felt Armour
- Replies: 33
- Views: 7455
Re: Felt Armour
Lower class Mongol cavalry wore felt kaftans called degel in battle. Magyars and Avars wore similar garments. They served to stop some incidental weapon strikes but I'm not sure they can be classed as an example of felt armour because their primary purpose was as clothing.
- Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:56 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Felt Armour
- Replies: 33
- Views: 7455
Re: Felt Armour
Etymologically, Greek neurikos / e / on seems to have something to do with sinew or tendons (but words can change meaning over time!) I think only one military writer uses the term. Yep. It is derived from neuron , which can refer to tendons, sinew, or plant fibre. It also refers to cords or string...
- Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:15 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Felt Armour
- Replies: 33
- Views: 7455
Re: Felt Armour
Thucydides is describing an attack on Spartan hoplites. There is nothing to suggest that Spartan hoplites ever wore felt caps in battle and we know that bronze pilos-style helmets were worn by hoplites during this time. So the context makes "bronze pilos" the most likely interpretation.
- Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:33 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Felt Armour
- Replies: 33
- Views: 7455
Re: Felt Armour
Thucydides 4.34.3 τό τε ἔργον ἐνταῦθα χαλεπὸν τοῖς Λακεδαιμονίοις καθίστατο: οὔτε γὰρ οἱ πῖλοι ἔστεγον τὰ τοξεύματα, δοράτιά τε ἐναπεκέκλαστο βαλλομένων "And now the Lacedaemonians began to be sorely distressed, for their felts (piloi) did not protect them against the arrows, and the points of the ...
- Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:51 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Miniature Victorian Gothic Armour Makers?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 1700
Re: Miniature Victorian Gothic Armour Makers?
He is one of the best. That one was only 1:3 scale so is a lot easier to get the details right than at smaller scales. It sold at Christies for £4,000.Chris Gilman wrote:Tell Peter Wroe that.....
- Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:00 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Miniature Victorian Gothic Armour Makers?
- Replies: 20
- Views: 1700
Re: Miniature Victorian Gothic Armour Makers?
It isn't possible to make an exact replica in miniature because some attachments and materials are simply too fragile at those scales. The best miniatures make compromises to improve durability without affecting the appearance or performance. Out of the modern makers, I like the 1:6 scale ones being...
- Sun May 31, 2020 6:21 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Ancient Greek/Scythian Equipment.
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1347
Re: Ancient Greek/Scythian Equipment.
Hi Dan, Adam Mckay in Sydney did them for me. They started life as a pair of the shapeless Deepeka greaves! I bought them because they were bronze, and Adam remade them for me. Good one. Someone finally found a use for Deepeka greaves. Adam did a nice job. You need a metallurgical test to confirm t...
- Sun May 31, 2020 6:14 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Source Identification - German Book on Textile Armor
- Replies: 6
- Views: 667
Re: Source Identification - German Book on Textile Armor
The upper right "Frankreich 1360" seems to depict something close to the Charles de Blois pourpoint, so my hope was that the other illustrations may be based on extant artifacts. I was particularly excited that the "Westfalen 1370" illustration looks very similar to garments I've found from early-t...
- Sat May 30, 2020 7:30 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Ancient Greek/Scythian Equipment.
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1347
Re: Ancient Greek/Scythian Equipment.
Who made the greaves? My guess would be Manning Imperial or Royal Oak Armoury.
- Tue May 26, 2020 7:11 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Source Identification - German Book on Textile Armor
- Replies: 6
- Views: 667
Re: Source Identification - German Book on Textile Armor
Are those drawings showing physical extant examples or are they extrapolated from 14th C illustrations?
- Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:32 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: free e-book: Samurai 1550-1600 by Anthony J Bryant
- Replies: 13
- Views: 1087
Re: free e-book: Samurai 1550-1600 by Anthony J Bryant
Anthoy's books are some of the few Osprey publications worth getting.
- Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:17 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Codpieces
- Replies: 56
- Views: 3015
Re: Codpieces
I was under the impression that codpieces were removed when in the saddle, but now I think about it, I can't recall any solid evidence to back it up.
- Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:14 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Codpieces
- Replies: 56
- Views: 3015
Re: Codpieces
Ah.... thank you, Dan! You are very welcome. I guess I should have made it clearer that I was looking for a name that was less vulgar, rather than more so. :oops: As such, I think we need to rule out "nad tasset", "scrote shield", "junk-shot deflector", and "nob fauld" as well. :wink: Spoil sport. ...
- Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:29 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Codpieces
- Replies: 56
- Views: 3015
Re: Codpieces
Uh oh. You've done it now. I'll start with "goolie guard".Mac wrote:Has anybody got a better name for the type that vulgar people call a DPU?

- Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:19 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Buff Leather EDIT Leather is in! How should we torture it?
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3731
Re: Buff Leather redux
Don't stop posting when you get the buff. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
- Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:39 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Buff Leather EDIT Leather is in! How should we torture it?
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3731
Re: Buff Leather redux
Perhaps get some elk hide and treat it with oil and lime yourself.
- Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:12 pm
- Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
- Topic: The Antiquity of Firesteels
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1003
Re: The Antiquity of Firesteels
It was thought that iron pyrite was so named because it glitters like fire but it was really so-named because it is excellent for starting fires. All the rocks named "pyrite" (πυρίτης) by the ancients could create sparks when struck. Flint and pyrite can be used to start a fire in exactly the same m...
- Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:57 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Written Sources for Gambesons/Aketons/Pourpoints 1100-1350
- Replies: 166
- Views: 25026
Re: Written Sources for Gambesons/Aketons/Pourpoints 1100-13
I have nothing to contribute that isn't already here but I'm enjoying this immensely. Looking forward to reading your paper, Sean.
- Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:53 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
Yep.Indianer wrote:This then would be an example of a supposedly armor-piercing specimen?
Royal Armouries Military M16 type
- Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:33 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
So what arrowheads were used on these arrows?
- Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:25 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
I couldn't find it in the above link to Smythe but this is the original quote I have: "a sheafe of arrows in noumber xxiv whearof I wishe viii of them more flighter then the reste to gall and annoy the enimyes farder of then the usuall custom of the sheafe arrowes, whose sharpe hallshot may not be i...
- Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:27 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
Do we know that the bodkin arrowheads in use were the same weight as the military broadhead in common use? The experiment was to simply confirm which design is more aerodynamic. Flight arrows would be lighter than armour piercers. A lighter arrow combined with the most aerodynamic arrowhead, produc...
- Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:17 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
Tod's test should have included type 16 arrowheads, not just type 10s. This is cut and pasted from an earlier thread. Consider the following: 1. In order for an arrow to have even a small chance of penetrating armour it has to be heavy and shot at short range with a powerful bow. 2. Many sources ack...
- Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:52 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Mail makers and their tools
- Replies: 39
- Views: 4855
Re: Mail makers and their tools
Not really. It doesn't make much effort to simply squeeze the peening pliers. The hammer would only be needed to do something to the link itself.Galileo wrote:Could the hammer be used on the tongs to "set" the rivet?
- Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:24 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Mail makers and their tools
- Replies: 39
- Views: 4855
Re: Mail makers and their tools
Dan Howard has researched the story about Midias. The earliest source is Pliny the Elder but I don't know whether Jost Amman's poem came from Pliny or whether there was a separate tradition that also claimed that Midias invented mail. It would be nice to have two independent sources. Could the hamm...
- Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:21 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: What's the latest best helmet padding available?
- Replies: 11
- Views: 8342
Re: What's the latest best helmet padding available?
Anyone tried sea sponge? Pliny reckons that the Romans used it for helmet liners.
- Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:55 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
Apparently I wasn't clear enough. In this specific battle, incapacitated french soldiers were killed. A baseball bat to the gut is likely sufficient to take someone out of the fight. Whether they were trampled into the mud and asphyxiated, or finished off by the English, in this specific battle, th...
- Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:46 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
I'll look forward to crossbow testing of armour, since crossbosw with square heads were explicitly banned by the church for use against Christians suggesting that they were effective. Crossbows were never banned. The injunction forbade crossbowMEN from shooting Christians. The distinction is import...
- Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:53 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
The armour wasn't hardened. The steel consisted of 0.5% C and was heated to annealing temperature and allowed to air cool, so not only was it not quench-hardened, but there was no work-hardening either. We have a century of ballistics data telling us that the energy in even the heaviest longbow cann...
- Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:58 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11011
Re: Tod and Co's Arrows vs. Armour Test
And punched holes with corners are even worse still.Dan Howard wrote:The main problem is that they are hammered way too thin. It might make it easier to pierce a hole but it seriously compromises its strength. Were the holes done with a punch or drift? Punched holes compromise the strength even more.
- Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:10 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Shaved Heads in the 14th Century
- Replies: 4
- Views: 757
Re: Shaved Heads in the 14th Century
Shaving your head had specific connotations in the Medieval period. It wasn't done to be fashionable. Usually it was meant as a sign of humility or grief.