The Armour Archive

Cliff Rogers

Dan Howard wrote:My first thought was "water damage" but there are no spots anywhere else on the painting. Looks like a spotted horse to me.

There are also a number of other images by different artists with the same look.

Cliff Rogers

Arne Koets wrote: (although i know of no spotted horses in medieval art

Would this be a "spotted" horse?

Cliff Rogers

There's a case in the early Hundred Years War where William of Hainault owes fealty to both France and the Empire. When Edward III as vicar of the Empire (and William's ally) declares war on France, William sends the number of knight he owes for his French fiefs to King Philip, but serves with as ma...

Cliff Rogers

"I: An Anglo Saxon Form of Commendation [from Schmidt: Gesetze der Angelsachsen, p. 404] Thus shall one take the oath of fidelity: By the Lord before whom this sanctuary is holy, I will to N. be true and faithful, and love all which he loves and shun all which he shuns, according to the laws of God ...

Cliff Rogers

Thanks for all the offers of support. We got an invitation to go up to the Higgins Armory Museum, so I think we'll go that route this year, if I can get it arranged. But maybe in a future year I'll give you a call, Galen or Jeff.

Cliff

Cliff Rogers

Paladin74 wrote:What period are you looking to portray?

The course covers the whole Middle Ages, so I'm happy to show them a variety of stuff.

Cliff Rogers

Andrea,

Since it's for an academic history class I'm looking for the most historically accurate kit possible.... so steel.

Cliff

Cliff Rogers

Aaron,

Probably not next year, but maybe the year after.

Cliff

Cliff Rogers

Hi All, I'm teaching a course on ancient and medieval warfare at West Point this semester. On the morning of 4/27 I have a lesson on "the face of battle." I was thinking that rather than doing a regular class, it would be cool to let the cadets spend an hour with some reenactors, try on armor, swing...

Cliff Rogers

chef de chambre wrote: 14 jarhundert auf deutch is "1400's"

Chef,

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's right-- e.g. note: R. Hoeniger, Der schwarze Tod in Deutschland. Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte des 14. Jahrhunderts

Cliff

Cliff Rogers

Effingham wrote:What's the current URL for joining?

Until the website is fully "cleared" (as I said I think it's actually clean now despite the Google warning, but why take the chance?) email our treasurer, Carroll Gillmor, cmgillmor{at}gmail.com

Cliff

Cliff Rogers

RandallMoffett wrote:How much is current membership Cliff?

RPM

Still $35/year, including delivery of the journal. A bargain!

Cliff Rogers

Cliff, is that your way of telling me it's likely 16c.? Notice the ripped material extends beyond the edge along the inner side at the crotch. This looks like the plates went across the front, not like the separate faulds of the 16thc. example. But I'm certainly not sure about this which is why I p...

Cliff Rogers

http://www.antikmakler.de/catalog/das-b ... 19557.html

Cliff Rogers

That is good news. I didn't get a response when I emailed their contact person acting about what journal volume would come with a membership last summer. I will try again or write you Cliff. I'm mostly an ancient historian right now, but I am interested in what you students of recent times are doin...

Cliff Rogers

All- We are aware the website got some malware and in fact have already cleaned it up; but we have to get the search engines to "clear" us before you stop seeing the warning. We also had a problem in that our secretary/treasurer's email was hacked and she had to change it, so some messages may have ...

Cliff Rogers

So whatcha workin' on, Cliff? A chapter for the Cambridge History of the World on warfare and military systems from 500-1500, in 8000 words. This probably won't make it in there, but what I was reading roused my curiousity. A bit more data: www.wataha.com.pl/download/lamelka_2.docSimilar for Centra...

Cliff Rogers

I just found some more data; scales from a late Mamluk qarqal (brigandine) seem in their current state to be roughly .75-1.1 or 1.2 mm, mostly about .9-1.1.
David Nicolle, _Late Mamluk Military Equipment_ (2011), 266-9.

Cliff Rogers

Korean lamellars thick 1.steel or iron:Three kingdom period(Goguryeo, Shilla, Baekje: A.D 1th~7th centry): 1.0mm(about), late Shilla and Balhae(7~9C): 1.0mm, Goryeo(9~14C): 1.0mm, Dongraeeupseong site armour(16th Centry) 0.6mm, ) mm Thanks! Is there a printed source (not in Korean :-) ) where I can...

Cliff Rogers

Thanks for looking, Russ. It always amazes me, given the amount written on armor, that so little data seems to have been collected on metal thickness, which is so important to armor's basic function. OK then-- how about weights, from which quantity of metal (and therefore, given equal surface area) ...

Cliff Rogers

Anyone have any data on thickness of lamellae in Byzantine, Mongol, Chinese, or other lamellar armor, and/or the plates in European jacks?

Thanks
Cliff

Cliff Rogers

EnglishSteel wrote:You mean maize as in the plant that is native to the Americas?

Yes. In British English "corn" basically means "grain."

Cliff Rogers

Back to the Varangians-- Anna Komnena (from the right time period) emphasizes the strength of Frankish mail, implying it is stronger than Byzantine armor of the time. To me that suggests it is unlikely that Varangians wore scale or lamellar over mail (aside from the absence of any positive reason to...

Cliff Rogers

Len Parker wrote:Might be a scarf like these http://manuscriptminiatures.com/francais-1584/2408/

I suspect you're right-- the date is about right for Gawain.

Cliff Rogers

According to the _Middle English Dictionary_ (s.v. urisoun) it means "An ornamental band or piece of silk attached to or covering a helmet" and is equivalent to Old French horson or hourson. But the text cited in support is Gawain, and I didn't see horson, hourson, orson, etc. in several Old French ...

Cliff Rogers

Interesting discussion. I looked into this a bit for my book _Soldiers' Lives through History: The Middle Ages_, and here's what I came up with: When French or English kings called up the arrière-ban—the full mobilization of military manpower for national defense, based on sovereign rather than feud...

Cliff Rogers

I just looked at a couple of images, no trouble.

Cliff Rogers

Go to the USMA library webpage, there's a copy of Wrottesley you can download. The French is on p. 192, if that's what you want. If you're looking for an actual image, the original is stated to be in the Dugdale MSS at the Bodleian library (Oxford U.).

Cliff

Cliff Rogers

Do you have NYPL and Free Library collections?

http://libwww.freelibrary.org/medievalman/
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigi ... col_id=173

Yale has a significant collection too. But most university and college libraries and museums in the US do not have much, if anything.

Cliff Rogers

No pictures, but some interesting information in R I Burns' article "Dogs of War in Thirteenth-Century Valencian Garrisons" in the _Journal of Medieval Military History IV_, 164-73 (with some documents in Latin).

Cliff Rogers

...And BTW it's not just crossbows but also bows that knights or kings might use in the right circumstances. I remember seeing somewhere a sergeantry where the sergeant was responsible for carrying the king's bow on campaign (Edward I, I think), and there's an entry in a financial document from the ...

Cliff Rogers

chef de chambre wrote:Context is everything.

... It certainly isn't a commonplace in battle.

Right, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. The artist here has the knight in a "castle" albeit on an elephant, which is what makes this a siege-like situation where use of a crossbow by a knight is appropriate.

Cliff Rogers

It was not unusual for knights to use crossbows when circumstances called for it. Both Richard I and Philip II used crossbows, for example.

Cliff Rogers

Cool. As far as the rolls go, unless they're illuminated, they're going to fall outside the scope of the paper. Useful for what we do, but not for this paper. Right, but in your initial post you mentioned documents and rolls generally. All the foreign stuff, if it isn't in English also falls outsid...

Cliff Rogers

Oh, and BTW the Gascon Rolls will soon be fully calendared and available online, with links from the calendar entries to images of the actual rolls. Should be before the end of the year. This is a big opportunity for researchers.

http://www.gasconrolls.org/index.html

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