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Gil-Galadh

Arms and Armour of the Warrior Saints: Tradition and Innovation in Byzantine Iconography (843–1261) by Piotr Grotowski is excellent resource, much better that Timothy Dawson's work, Imho.

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I am monitoring this thread.
Seriously it seems like pretty interesting stuff.

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We can see this in coins,seals,written sources where western helmets and full armour appearance that can't seen on frescoes or only part of it only legs or arms and also the orthodox art try to copy the old roman style so really ... is not very relaible It really depends when and where. For example...

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As far as i know orthodox art is not relaible at all .... Actually its very reliable. While indeed there seems to be some stylization, for the most we can clearly see evolution and change in arms and armament that is consistent with the development of the said arms and armour. The clearest way you ...

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There is a find in Preslav or Pliska of a lamellae that is actually covered by a thin bronze sheet. As to why its always brown - nobody knows. It could be some sort of oxidizing, or this might not even be lamellar or scale, but something else, it might also be something covered with natural colored ...

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Vitez, The armour is most probably from a western type Coat of plates, although the reconstruction that the author of this article proposes is not very good. It is possible that it is something locally made, in any case there are quite a few images from the period that can be interpreted as depictin...

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There are a few in Bulgaria - I am from Chigot - we do 12-14th century bulgarians/byzantines and the battle of Varna in 1444, and there is Modus Vivendi, who deal with 10-13th century outremer/byzantine and one rus guy. There are some people in Serbia. In Romania there are also a few groups, but the...

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Tanks for the awesome link.
Also - Armour Archive the only place where you can discuss pubic hair and medieval horse tack, and it seems perfectly natural

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I'll fill in for Bulgaria in the timeframe XII-XIV centuries. The information is also relevant for parts of Serbia and the Byzantine empire. Art generally shows two types of helmets - kettlehats, not unlike western-European ones were worn in the 14th century example: http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0904/...

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It's most likely to be mail, as it is drawn in a way often depicted on frescoes, where there is maille.

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Here is something from Kastoria, 12th-14th century I believe:

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It was Qaloja, after all, who crushed Baldwin and the crusaders at Adrianople, thus effectively ending the short-lived latin empire and allowing the Byzantines to claw their way back into power (albeit much weakened, and relying upon Ottoman military support, and as you've mentioned, look where tha...

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Somenone a bit back mentioned about the distinct look of the camp filled with ropes, and that the painter wouldn't miss it. This instantly reminded me of the following: the Skylitzes chronicle(late 11th c.) . http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/AdrianopleConquestByzSoldBGhistory.jpg h...

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It is from Decani, Serbia. All the info says the wallpaintings are from c 1350.

[img]http://srpskoblago.org/Archives/Decani/ ... 4K2677.jpg[/img]

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The bulgarians also did this - When they defeated the byzantines and killed emperror Nikephoros I, a cp was made out of his skull.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krum#Confl ... kephoros_I

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Andrew, if I understand your point correctly, you say that lamellar plates were connected via metal links, and not fabric or leather threads. I suppose if this were the situation, than there would have been some rings remaining among with the plates. And as far as I am aware there are no such finds,...

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As for the circular lamellar. It's quite interesting, because there are three or four images of such both from Serbia and Bulgaria, all of them from around 14-th 15-th century. I personally belive it's some kind of artistic interpretation. The guy with the diagonal thingies is also interesting, as t...

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Awesome.
And yeah, if you remove the sallet and add a barbuta it will be pure
belezza.

oh and keep the bevor

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Usulally the plates of the ottoman armours are held together via metal rings,as in the maille,and that's probably how you should do it. Of course it will be best if you can post some pictures

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well 1,5mm should be enough,added to the fact, that the different plates overlap amd that we are not trying so hard to kill each other

;);)

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I would suggest for you to keep up with the bulgarian influence, as most of Walachia was part of the Bukgarian tzardom at that time. Also i think the hungarian influence will be strong. The best thing to do is go around museums, see whats there,and make your choises...Oh and don't forget to post the...

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Armour Bearer wrote: But why did you made it from 1,5 mm steel?

What do you mean?

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No, it's not attached permanently.

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Here is something made by "Chigot Armoury" or the smithy guys of my reenactment group. made from 1,5 mm steel. Based on the finds of "Tcherna mogila"(don't know how's that on english). http://lh4.ggpht.com/Chigotski/SNkdta4170I/AAAAAAAAAJk/X8CZIpkLELE/s400/d2.jpg http://lh6.ggpht.com/Chigotski/SNkdt...

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Matthew Amt wrote: Caveat Emptor!

Speaking of emperors and pigs in space... behold Boduen of Flanders:

[img]http://www.baga-tur.com/e107_plugins/im ... bfbf8e.jpg[/img]

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OTOH, if you go to Bulgaria and Russia, it's a somewhat different story. Quiet a number of spangenhelms of various dates, but certainly later than the Migration period. Yep. Here's a pic of a mid-fourteenth century spangen helm reproduction from Bulgaria. There is no nasal guard in the original pie...

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I fear that if you don't train your eye to see the difference, you could not achieve the right shape, just because you hardly will recognize it

Of course i see much differences,but have to be shure...10x to all

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I need 1450's armet,and do not know were to look for plans. And all armets look....uhm "armetty" to me,so i think that being similar it will not be difficult to make the earlier one from the latter. The only problem is that, they look quite the same to me,so I'm asking for something that my eyes mig...

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No..to make it more like 1450,
1550 is sixteenth,not 15-th century

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So....I want to make a mid-fifteenth century armet,and for the purpose i decided to use Sinric's patterns and modify them. And i want to ask what adjustments should I make,to achieve the desired result(as i said- mid fifteen century).

10x in advance...Will post pix if i lay my hands on a camera...

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I don't think this post is very suitable,but i just want to get some jealousy-Here in the far reaches of the world the linen is about 2,5$ per meter,an of exellent quality

:):)

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Good work there!
[quote]
When ladies want to get done, they say â€œMy lord, command me.â€

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I want one of those

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I must disagree on the bulgarian-russian similarity.Yes they are similar,but are not that close,the relationship is more like in italian-french. As for a translation....the market will be very small,i don't think even the publisher will agree,because they will not get back even half of the money... ...

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40E is a hell of a money in Bulgaria??? c'mon, u r member of EU??? :P :P :P Member of EU only on paper. My salary is around 180E a month(and thats considered "middle"),and I have to make a living... the good thing is that here books of such size cost around 7-10E(well it's also somewhat a bad thing...

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An interesting wallpainting

Russian helm, second half of Xth C.(pic heavy)

Armet help...