The Armour Archive

Brian W. Rainey

I see it just fine. This is one of the downfalls of the transition between a society where we all use cathode ray tube monitors, and one when we'll all use LCD screens. CRTs are, in general between 15 and 20 "darker" than LCD screens, especially if they're more than 3 years old, and that makes for ...

Brian W. Rainey

I apologize for flooding folks with initimate details. Brian, did you just apologize for giving us detailed information about a peice of armour on a board dedicated to armour research? Think about that for a bit; I know that it seems like you are becoming obsessive about this one peice, but I'm cer...

Brian W. Rainey

Hey Brian I have seen the Photo of what looks like there is that Missing Peice of Brass on the what I call the RT Lung plate. I allways though the Edge was not rolld but never had a good photo other than the one from the Books. Do you have an Unpublished photo of a Difrent angle that might show som...

Brian W. Rainey

I think the Linner is held on by the Rivets for the brass. Thes rivets you see dont number up to what is on the front of the Peice and they seem to look like they run around the edge of the Peice only. From Knoch Some of the rivets at the horizontal edges (holding on the brass) are used... not all....

Brian W. Rainey

Talbot wrote:(Imagine a bascinet painted with hotrod flames. Anyone out there good with photoshop? I'd love to see it)

I'd be happy to mask some off on your new helmet, Doug! Gotta practice for the paint work I am doing to my bike this winter, anyways!

Brian W. Rainey

Wow, that 's the exact quote I was about to post, Talbot. I'm curious about it too. I know that articulating solely on leather functions just fine, since I've made a few that way. I have no reason to doubt a sliding rivet articulation would work too. Since the rivet heads we see on the center plate...

Brian W. Rainey

I wondered a bit about this as well. Would not leather be redundant if there was also leather articulation? The leather would not be redundant, at all. It serves the purpose of a "liner" by lining the piece. Presumably against a mail undergarment? We know that the liner was not the articulation poi...

Brian W. Rainey

Brian, I want to challenege you here. Do you believe there are sliders or do you know there are sliders? If you know, how do you know? Your discussion of this is framed as if it is a fact. It may well be that there are sliders I want to clarify-- are we talking about is or may be? I wanted to be ce...

Brian W. Rainey

How can this be considered historical research?

Brian W. Rainey

elden wrote:I don't think it bears any strong resemblance to the subject.

Agreed.

Brian W. Rainey

A common practice in creating the hounskul visors, as of late, is welding a cone of metal and then pushing the material around further, as needed.

The cone give you a lot of the general shape and a good starting point.

Brian W. Rainey

I think you have done a great job of getting the jist of the peice. here are some things I did to creat my last one. I did a lot of looking at severall Photos of this Peice before I started mine. One of the things I did was take a photo to a Copy shop and had them Enlarg the image 150% of a Side vi...

Brian W. Rainey

The only item of shoulder defence anything like that (which I don't know the accuracy of) is in Invalides, pic from this thread: m http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j264/chevalion/Musee%20de%20larmee/LesInvalideskneeshoulder1.jpg My brother recently took photos of this piece (which I don't have han...

Brian W. Rainey

M. Eversberg II wrote:My guess is that there is supposed to be some sort of gorget that comes close to those spaulders--maybe they're supposed to tie onto that as well/instead?

Nope. There is not a gorget that ties these together.

Brian W. Rainey

You know CAT I was posting when my printer started to eat my dissertation that same thought but had not gotten back to this since. I wonder if there are not holes on the top of the piece where another part had been attached. I would not think it impossible that it is authentic but I have never seen...

Brian W. Rainey

Brian, Thanks for posting that drawing, I think it will greatly increase the understanding of how the S13 works. Would you mind doing a drawing showing how the leather articulating strips for the the side pieces work? Thanks, Christian Christian, Sorry for the delay. Here is a quick sketch. Hope it...

Brian W. Rainey

InfinitySteel wrote:How much of a slide do you figure was in the tops?

Probably between a half inch and an inch. I was told that it "barely moves".

Brian W. Rainey

I have seen something pop up lately that I do not think is an accurate representation of late 14th century Italian armour. I could only find one instance, at this time, but I know I have seen about a dozen similar interpretations in recent months. I know what I think about the source for the reprodu...

Brian W. Rainey

His work leaves a lot to be desired. If you want something that "meets SCA regulations" then go for it. He is a nice, friendly guy, but not a very good armourer. If you want something that actually resembles accurate armour, look elsewhere. An acquaintance of mine put it best at a Gulf Wars: "Helmet...

Brian W. Rainey

I note filled rivets corresponding to typical klappvisor hinge mounting locations which, coupled with the proportions of the current visor, make me think that this is a chimera most likley creayed in modern times form disassociated parts. I would agree. You cannot believe everything that you see in...

Brian W. Rainey

Wulfe wrote:Well, I do love the roundfaced visors....

damn the want to be accurate...

Tell everyone there I said hello!

And give you wife and girls big hugs for me.

Do you like the pointy klappvisiers? Those are cool an very appropriate for what you are going after.

Brian W. Rainey

patric wrote:is this open to all archivers? if it is, ill TRY my best to find a ride down there, its only a couple hours drive from madison. i have a couple 1 piece raised helms that need some profesional opinions.....

thanks,

patric

4 pm tomorrow! Come on down

Brian W. Rainey

Brian, This sounds like an awesome project.... Am I to understand that you are going to put hammer to metal? Has been a while to my recollection.... Nope, I am putting etching tool to brass. Dave is putting hammer to metal. He gets the easy/fun part. I get the detailed pain in the a$$ monotonous pa...

Brian W. Rainey

The latten border is rolled Cool ( and whoo- I pictured trying to leave the rolls open just enough all the way around... ) I don't have occassion to do much brass work but lately the approach I've taken is to start with straight strips which I anneal and then form to match the steel piece rather th...

Brian W. Rainey

I'll give it a go on the next one and see how it works. Can anyone document when they first began to use almain rivets? They did it that way for a reason... it is hard to top the way that it was designed, orginally. No matter how much time we think we spend trying to figure things out... they more ...

Brian W. Rainey

Once scribed, the rolls were closed with superb skill Freaky, won't be able to do that and heat treat the piece to a spring temper: it would have to be left fairly soft in order to close the rolls. It would be possible to just normalize the edge of the plates after heat treatign the whole thus leav...

Brian W. Rainey

Continued analysis: Border appears to be latten. Border appears to have been fixed with ferrous metal rivets and small latten caps inserted in the recess to cover ferrous rivets. Small caps are missing in some places, showing what appears to be a sunken underlying rivet. (As opposed to the raised fe...

Brian W. Rainey

So what would I put on the onion top...for yer $.02? For $.02... you ain't getting much, pal! Inflation is rough, eh? Anywho... I would put a klappvisier pointy-nosed or rounded nosed visor. I would not put a side-pivot on it. Onion tops are decidely German and the klappvisier is also decidely Germ...

Brian W. Rainey

Sorry, full weekend. I havn't touched my tools in months save to help Joe and Scott that night. I'll make it back down there some day. I'll bring some 16ga 1050 and we'll weld up a half-dozen houndskull visor blanks and then I'll have plenty to screw up with! Get your butt down here, Mikey! What co...

Brian W. Rainey

Tell ya what... since Doug is a bachelor tonight... lets plan on ordering pizza.

Good idea?

Brian

Brian W. Rainey

I will try to make it. Should not be a problem. Will be there around 8ish.

Lots to plan..... Dave and I are working on a really cool project. Got a bottle of ferric chloride lying around somewhere?

Brian W. Rainey

Could the ARS possibly institute an annual feast where we don't burn Dean in effigy, necessarily, but maybe dress his doppelganger in a badly made suit of costume armor and mock him mercilessly for his crimes against research? Or how about an armored Dean piÃ±ata full of candy and we give the child...

Brian W. Rainey

I went to the museum where he works and I noticed that all the armors from the sixteenth century that are there carry the same kind of brass rivets..... in the diocesan museum of Mantova the famous Gonzaga armor are all furnished with the very same gray leather straps ... while some rivets are no m...

Brian W. Rainey

Only a couple more questions: --Are there any inside pics of the #14 showing whether it has a lining? --I'm really having trouble wrapping my head around how a flat piece of leather became a globuse shaped lining for the #13. Is it dished or pieced together somehow? The ubiquitous inside picture of...

Brian W. Rainey

I pronnounce them 'Sal-ay' and 'Quil-yn'. I can also spell Armour and Honour properly General use of the word outside of the SCA is: Sallet = Sahl-ET Same for bascinet: Bascinet = Bass-in-ET Was corrected constantly on this... as I had bascin ay and sall ay ingrained in my head for the longest time...

Supposed 14th Century Spaulders