The Armour Archive

Recently, having been eyeing it up in detail and realising how wonderfully detailed it is, I'm rather inclined to go for this...

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but for pure armour porn, I still wish I could have Mac's harness he made for toby capwell...

[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2298/2180515982_f682fec5bd_b.jpg[/img]

MacTavish wrote:Not to rub it in at all, but Jeff Wasson is currently working on my dream harness. Blackened spring steel with lots of brass. Later 14th century transitional suit. All the rivited chain mail and cloth bits to go. Total price 18K and a work over two deployments.

Edward

Lucky git

A helm by Eric Thing; but I have one, just a little different than this one:

http://www.anvilfire.com/21centbs/armor ... helmet.jpg

And how would I top my own mail, with the yellow streak (in brass rings) running down my back?



As a Viking, I'm pretty content.

wow, beautifull blackened armour, how do you blacken a harness to this level and polish it so it is still mirror, surlyyou must have to coat it to make it like this

armourjon wrote:wow, beautifull blackened armour, how do you blacken a harness to this level and polish it so it is still mirror, surlyyou must have to coat it to make it like this

If I remember correctly, Mac said that he used a chemical blackening agent called Black Magic.

That is a goregous suit.

does black magic give thats sort of luster or will it need polishing?

i just love that look its very different, somthing i want my 14th century harness to be

I've always been a huge fan of Exeter's armor in Kenneth Branaugh's Henry V.

Actually, now that I think about it, that was about the time period (about 20 years later than) I plan on aiming for (just starting up on my very first kit, so it's a long way off from being complete). How accurate would his armor even be for 1415? I haven't seen haut-guards (at least that's what it LOOKS like they are) like that on examples from the period before.

exeter played by brian blessed here, that armour was his own harness and hes worn it in a few films so i have heard, but its purly fantasy really and certainly wrong for agincourt, still though WHAT A FILM !!!!

Still get chills when I hear Henry V's speech. *thumbs up*

armourjon wrote:exeter played by brian blessed here, that armour was his own harness and hes worn it in a few films so i have heard, but its purly fantasy really and certainly wrong for agincourt, still though WHAT A FILM !!!!

That's what I figured, didn't quite look right, but the movie seemed better than most about accuracy. Something about haut-guards always tickled my fancy, when did those start coming in to fashion? Had no clue it was his personal harness! Always loved the part of the battle where he was laying about himself with his mace like a madman.

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:Still get chills when I hear Henry V's speech. *thumbs up*

Likewise! And when they're walking through the field after the battle as well.

Stephen Weber wrote:

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:Still get chills when I hear Henry V's speech. *thumbs up*

Likewise! And when they're walking through the field after the battle as well.

Ah, yes, "Non nobis Domine". I sing along every time...

we do the battle of agincourt every year on the agincourt field, its a beautifull little village, and theres something very special about it i dont know what but it holds so many memories its magical

armourjon wrote:does black magic give thats sort of luster or will it need polishing?

i just love that look its very different, somthing i want my 14th century harness to be

I think it's polished, and then each individual part sent for blackening, and then assembled, but I'm sure God*ahem* Mac, I mean, can say otherwise if that is'nt the case.


oh, and can I say, any person who does'nt worship Brian "Gordon's alive?!" Blessed deserves nothing but derision, in my books.

Suzerain wrote:

armourjon wrote:does black magic give thats sort of luster or will it need polishing?

i just love that look its very different, somthing i want my 14th century harness to be

I think it's polished, and then each individual part sent for blackening, and then assembled, but I'm sure God*ahem* Mac, I mean, can say otherwise if that is'nt the case.


oh, and can I say, any person who does'nt worship Brian "Gordon's alive?!" Blessed deserves nothing but derision, in my books.

Damn right!

Here I am grinning like a total idiot with my hero!

Suzerain wrote:

armourjon wrote:does black magic give thats sort of luster or will it need polishing?

i just love that look its very different, somthing i want my 14th century harness to be

I think it's polished, and then each individual part sent for blackening, and then assembled, but I'm sure God*ahem* Mac, I mean, can say otherwise if that is'nt the case.


oh, and can I say, any person who does'nt worship Brian "Gordon's alive?!" Blessed deserves nothing but derision, in my books.

Whatever finish is done on top, is reflected by the finish of the metal underneath. For Toby's harness to have looked like that balckened, it was given a high polish first.

I am sure Mac can confirm or deny when he gets back from Pennsic, but I am pretty sure I heard from him, or Toby, or the both of them, when that harness was underway, that it was polished smooth, then blackened.

WANT:



With this helmet:

This.

I seriously thought long & hard about some of those heavily laced harnesses. But then I read accounts of the lacing getting wet, and rotting, and stinking. And I thought to myself, "Samurai should not reek'. So I'm going with this;

<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2326/2338680513_fc1e5090db.jpg">

PS, Andreas, that is the HOTNESS right there. What's stopping you?

PPS if you actually <i>do</i> get a harness like that I will have you offed in the streets and then steal it.

AvM wrote:WANT:



With this helmet:

My jaw dropped. That's gorgeous.

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:Ah, yes, "Non nobis Domine". I sing along every time...

I thought I was the only one to do this, LOL.

Witchfinder wrote:

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:Ah, yes, "Non nobis Domine". I sing along every time...

I thought I was the only one to do this, LOL.

You aren't...

Stephen Weber wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:Ah, yes, "Non nobis Domine". I sing along every time...

I thought I was the only one to do this, LOL.

You aren't...

Just need one more for the quartet.

Aaron - like you, my fave suit is not everyone's flavor: For me, the dream harness is basically the Churburg S-18 (sans the funky later shoulders), but with a bit of decorative brass. I have a nice reproduction of the armet already and some bits that are 'close enough'... but still a ways to go.

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:
Ah, yes, "Non nobis Domine". I sing along every time...

It always drives me crazy, though, that the chorus singing got it wrong.

They do, for the second line, "sed nomine, sed nomine,"

But, dammit, it's "sed nomini, sed nomini".

It's a small thing, but it really cheeses me off.

I love Olivier's "Hank Cinq" for the sheer beauty. The three different styles are wonderful together, and make for a really cool visual experience. Olivier's knights LOOKED like knights, wearing real armour and real jupons rather than just low-budget simulacra as were in Branagh's film. Olivier's Agincourt, however, was a bright sunny day.

I find myself wishing Branagh had had Olivier's armouring budget, though; had he done so, I would have really loved his film best. As it is, I wish i could merge elements.


Oh, hey... here's a thought:

Brian Blessed as Thorin Oakenshield in Peter Jackson's "The Hobit." If John Rhys-Davies can be Gimli...



Effingham

Effingham wrote:

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:
Ah, yes, "Non nobis Domine". I sing along every time...

It always drives me crazy, though, that the chorus singing got it wrong.

They do, for the second line, "sed nomine, sed nomine,"

But, dammit, it's "sed nomini, sed nomini".

It's a small thing, but it really cheeses me off.

I love Olivier's "Hank Cinq" for the sheer beauty. The three different styles are wonderful together, and make for a really cool visual experience. Olivier's knights LOOKED like knights, wearing real armour and real jupons rather than just low-budget simulacra as were in Branagh's film. Olivier's Agincourt, however, was a bright sunny day.

I find myself wishing Branagh had had Olivier's armouring budget, though; had he done so, I would have really loved his film best. As it is, I wish i could merge elements.


Oh, hey... here's a thought:

Brian Blessed as Thorin Oakenshield in Peter Jackson's "The Hobit." If John Rhys-Davies can be Gimli...



Effingham

The problem isn't so much 'budget', when it comes to modernm productions and armouring, the problem is costume designers, who think their creations are better than what was actually worn historically. That, and crybaby actors who don't want to wear helmets, and prefer chaps over hosen, just plain refusing to wear what was worn historically.

Effingham wrote:
Oh, hey... here's a thought:

Brian Blessed as Thorin Oakenshield in Peter Jackson's "The Hobit." If John Rhys-Davies can be Gimli...

my god, I think you just broke my brain.

why has this not been done?
this must be done.
someone find Jackson, kidnap him, and make him cast Saint Brian the Blessed in the role.
NOW!

chef de chambre wrote:The problem isn't so much 'budget', when it comes to modernm productions and armouring, the problem is costume designers, who think their creations are better than what was actually worn historically. That, and crybaby actors who don't want to wear helmets, and prefer chaps over hosen, just plain refusing to wear what was worn historically.

Normally -- especially in costume design like the infamous Elizabeth incident -- I'd agree, but Branagh was on record about how incredibly low their budget was, hence virtually no one in rented armour.

OTOH, I'll concede your point on all those knights wearing what appears to be doublety-joupons with their arms APPLIQUED to the front, rather than as an all over design as would have been at least more aesthetically correct.

My take would be you don't need to rent whole suits of armour if you at least make it look like the gentry are wearing their proper coat armour. Arms and legs are a lot cheaper than whole suits .

I have been looking to find a good example of my dream harness
this is the best Iconic example I can scrounge...

the Greenwich garnitures... like that of Sir William Herbert 1st Earl of Pembroke. there is a very good illustration of his Harness in Dr. Capwells "real fighting stuff" of his garniture in it's varying configurations.

sha-ul wrote:ike that of Sir William Herbert 1st Earl of Pembroke. there is a very good illustration of his Harness in Dr. Capwells "real fighting stuff" of his garniture in it's varying configurations.

if you ever want more detailed photographs/studies of that, let me know. I'm a bit of a regular at the Kelvingrove, and should be able to arrange to get close-up detail shots of the entire harness, possibly in seperate sections

Effingham wrote:Oh, hey... here's a thought:

Brian Blessed as Thorin Oakenshield in Peter Jackson's "The Hobit." If John Rhys-Davies can be Gimli...

That'd work. However, I still think Gandalf should have been played by Sean Connery, so it might not be wise to listen to me.

Speaking of Brian Blessed, he always makes me laugh myself sick in the first series of the Blackadder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Adder)

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Suzerain wrote:

sha-ul wrote:ike that of Sir William Herbert 1st Earl of Pembroke. there is a very good illustration of his Harness in Dr. Capwells "real fighting stuff" of his garniture in it's varying configurations.

if you ever want more detailed photographs/studies of that, let me know. I'm a bit of a regular at the Kelvingrove, and should be able to arrange to get close-up detail shots of the entire harness, possibly in seperate sections

I have had a hard time finding any images of his suite...any thing you can come up with would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry Aaron, but it looks like a metal version of this to me.

Hey Gordon! Isn't this your new waffenrock?

Ingvarr wrote:Sorry Aaron, but it looks like a metal version of this to me.

Tonlet is purty cool armor, but you can't RIDE in it... why would you spend that sorta dough on a kit you can't mount in?

Of course, you can and should have as many suits of spring armor as you want. We will wait while you change for the foot portion of the combat...

~dev~

My Dearest, Dearest Dev:

I shall plant your pretty face firmly in the dirt next time we cross lances for that kind comment, my dear. I wish you a speedy recovery, so that we may do just that together soon.

Love and Kisses,

Gordon

P.S. Besides, I like RED dresses! You should know that by now!! I am appalled that you don't remember such things. gef

Rittmeister Frye wrote:My Dearest, Dearest Dev:

I shall plant your pretty face firmly in the dirt next time we cross lances for that kind comment, my dear. I wish you a speedy recovery, so that we may do just that together soon.

Love and Kisses,

Gordon

P.S. Besides, I like RED dresses! You should know that by now!! I am appalled that you don't remember such things. gef