thank you for the inspration (pic's)

[MadMarcus]

I havn't made much armour in quite a while, so i started reading AA again to see if i could get inspration. Boy did i find some, I have a number of things i want to play with. The first one was viewtopic.php?f=1&t=158178
A big thanks to Mac and Wade for shareing the info on this way to construct a helm.
I went out and tried it, the first one working ok, but I learned so much that I would do differenty that I started a second, here are some progess pic's

This take me about 6 hours of shaping after I made the shell. Im looking forward to going back out on the weekend to see how much more i can get done.
and thanks to JT for helping me to work out how to post pidc's

Mark

[Aussie Yeoman]

That looks very handsome!

Is it to be a sallet or barbute? Can we see the first one?

[Pitbull Armory]

Nice shape you have going Marcus, Keep up the good work and pics please, Im guessing it will be a sallet,


Have a good week

Pitbull

[Konstantin the Red]

He's outlined a celata on it, Eyetie style. He could as easily lay out a sallet-influenced barbuta on it, same-o same-o. He's doing damned well!

[Tableau]

Looks excellent! I'm really happy to see people trying out the method from that thread.

[Ingvarr]

really sexy lines

[Mac]

You go, guy!

That's a nice start. I hope you will keep us posted.

Mac

[MadMarcus]

weather is raining here, so a good day to play in the shop with some hot metal, here is todays procress pics

Im happy with the way it is shaping, im learning a lot, see what i can get done tomorrow. Thanks for the comment's any feedback is welcome.
Mark

[Scott Martin]

I'll have to post pics of the sallet I'm working on with very similar lines.

The hourglass curve as seen from the front and back is tres sexy, as is the (appropriately) tall crest. Are you planning on visoring this helm? I need to figure out if I am doing an earlier period (mid 15th) "shovel" front similar to the Tyrol armour, or a bellows visor more appropriate to 1480-1520.

Because visors with spring pins are cool...

I'm doing an articulated tail, so I also need to decide if I'm rolling the edges: if you are doing this as a one piece I'll be interested to see if you decide to roll the entire edge (including the face opening) or visor the helm.


Scott Martin

[Vyrn]

Oooh, very nice. Those types of helmets are so damn sexy, I can't get enough of 'em. Keep us posted

[MadMarcus]

These are the last pic's for the weekend. I want be in the shop next weekend as im going to Canberra for a friends birthday.
Sallets are my favourt helm, i love the German line, thou this one is more Italian. I was making this mostly as a learning exersice. Thou that being said I'm looking at an open bar face, I have a couple of frinds who like the idea of a lot of air for fighting (SCA). So this week im off to the rivit shop to get some brass rivits, Ive apprealinty run out and havent replaced them yet Ive made this helm in 2mm mild steel.

Thanks all Mark

[Aussie Yeoman]

That looks really, really good. Will you emboss the brass?

I tried sending you a personal message and an email asking whether you'd half-make one (edited to add: for money, of course, or a longbow) for me....for me to finish. Wondering if you had seen those?

[MadMarcus]

it is best to send me a msg on the AA, I only get to check me normal emal about once a week. One of the problems with the first one i started is it turned out to galvanised, I didnt notice till i headed it and noticed the white smoke, not good stuff to breath. Have you got yourself a heat source set up yet?

[Aussie Yeoman]

Not as yet. That's why I was hoping to get a 'blank' done to planishing stage or something like that. Something that might require a small amount of shaping, then planishing and making nice and pretty. I'm not sure I have the budget to have someone else do all the work for me.

An armourer's forge, as per Eric Thing, is on my 'to-do' list. Then it'll be all go.

[Mac]

So this week im off to the rivit shop to get some brass rivits, Ive apprealinty run out and havent replaced them yet

Marcus,

Stop! Don't use brass rivets to hold on the trim. The real stuff is almost without exception held on with flush rivets made of brass wire. I describe my procedure here forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=94776&hilit

Using rivets with big brass heads is modern esthetics.

Mac

[Aussie Yeoman]

I may be a computer usage failure, as I could not get the link to work.

Here's a couple of threads where Mac lays out his process:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=94776&hilit=+brass+wire+flush

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84980&hilit=+brass+wire+flush

[Scott Martin]

I use 1/16" rivets (instead of the 3/32" that Mac uses) and have somewhat different approach - I'll do a write-up at some point...

If you want to use teeney tiny rivets (placed 1/2" - 1" apart) they will tend to reduce the "bulging" that Mac mentrions, since your center spacing is tighter and leads to less opportunity for gapping of the brass. In North America 14 Ga wire (brass and copper) is a hair over 1/16", which makes for some serious Repetitive Stress Injury (RSI) potential forcing wire into small holes.

14 Ga wire works well but I would strongly suggest drawing your wire down to size before using it Buy your wire, drill a 1/16" hole through a chunk of "scrap" material (I used 22 Ga mild and it worked) force the wire into the hole and through for about 3/16" (so you can grab it on the other side with Pliers) then clamp the plate in a vice with the hole less than 1/4" above the vice jaws and pull through.

THEN make your rivets.

I wish that I had known this before putting several hundred lining rivets of this type into a breast and back!

Scott Martin

[MadMarcus]

Its all good Mac, ill play with putting the trim on the way you dicriped, I was meaning to get some brass rivits for around the skull to look like the helmet liner.

Mark

[Halberds]

Thanks for the wire drawing and rivet info.
I think that is a fine helm. I like it.

I tried to make a cold Barbute and failed miserably.
I sure can appreciate the work that went into this.
Jolly well done and thanks for the pics.

Hal

[Tableau]

Haha! This is looking really good. Everyone works faster than me it seems. I can't see your last few pictures though. Some photobucket issues, it seems.

Can't wait to see more!

[MadMarcus]

Im sorry I didnt notice that the pic's didnt come over, Im hoping to be able to do some more work on them this weekend.

thanks Mark

[Sean Powell]

Nice curves, like an attractive woman. . I look forward to seeing the finished piece with all the brass work.

Sean

[MadMarcus]

I got to spend some time on it this weekend, Im happy with the results. Striving for progress not profection.

[Aussie Yeoman]

That looks fantastic!

I don't do SCA so I can't be sure, but I think the red bar grill might need a bit of reinforcement to be SCA legal.

[Tableau]

Wow! That looks amazing. What gauge did you start with? Do you feel like you lost much material to grinding? How long did it take you to plannish this?

EDIT: I read over the thread and answered one of my own questions. Started with 2mm steel.

[Tableau]

Wow! That looks amazing. What gauge did you start with? Do you feel like you lost much material to grinding? How long did it take you to plannish this?

[MadMarcus]

I'm not sure how long it take me, as I was still playing with the shape as i was cleaning, i guess about a day. I removed as little material as i could, if you look closely you can still see some of the pit marks and a couple of the course sanding marks. I'm sure what thickness it ended up being, but considering how much metal i had to compress it has to be thicker than 2mm around the temple line.

thank Mark