Bascinet of the Wallce A69 bascinet?

[Gustovic]

Well, there are all sorts of shapes. Some are more rounded, and some a more oval.

[Kristoffer]

They are all pretty round. The point makes them look more oblong from the top view. A good exercise is to cover parts of the picture, in this case especially the point side to let your eyes see the actual shape instead of the trickery and deception the eyes serve us when we look at the whole picture.

Is the bascinet blue and black or white and gold?

[Tom B.]

As Xtracted pointed out the back pointed ones looks deceptively unround.
This is partly because of the angle of the top view.
The back point on many of these sticks out past the back bottom edge.

[James Arlen Gillaspie]

I have handled the Wallace bacinet, and the skull is unusually small, striking me as child sized at the time. The proportion of the skull to the visor (which is very normal sized) seems to resemble the modern attempts more than any other. The shape of the skull is just a bit odd, too, seems a bit early compared to many of our examples. The way to photograph skulls to get the shape is straight down on the point. Bacinets are very round indeed, being only slightly oblate, in my experience.

[Icepocca]

Does anybody know if the visor of Wallace a69 is definitely Northern Italian in style?
Most of the visors I have seen have the eye boxes in a taper, but this one has pretty rectangular sights

[Mac]

Mac, does this pivot okay?
Also, is it cheating to making a drawing by tracing?

That looks like it does what it has to do.

Tracing is one of the tools in the box, and I use it when I can. You do need to consider whether the distortion induced by the camera placement is significant. If so, you need to adjust the tracing to compensate.

Mac

[Mac]

Does anybody know if the visor of Wallace a69 is definitely Northern Italian in style?
Most of the visors I have seen have the eye boxes in a taper, but this one has pretty rectangular sights

I would be reluctant to hazard a guess as to where the Wallace visor is from. It may well have been described as North Italian, but I have to say it does not look very like the visors which we have some reason to think came from there.

Historically, in armor scholarship there a tendency divide all extant armor into "German" and "North Italian". This satisfies man's need to put things in cubbyholes, but the reality of armor production is not so black and white as that.

Mac

[Icepocca]

If this visor (not the bascinet, which will be changed to one with a taller point), were to be used with a harness based around northern Italy (France, Switzerland, Austria), it wouldn't look out of place would it?

[Mac]

If it were a faithful reproduction, people would recognize it as the Wallace visor, but I don't think there is anyone in a position to tell if that visor is or is not appropriate for that (or any other) place. To the best of my knowledge, there has been nothing published which defines or describes regional visor styles from the late 14th C.

Mac

[Icepocca]

Is it possible that the Visor was modified to fit the bascinet?

[Mac]

Is it possible that the Visor was modified to fit the bascinet?

I would be surprised if it wasn't. If we could see the inside of the visor, we might be able to make a guess about whether or how much it was modified.

Mac

[RandallMoffett]

Not sure I like the term round for these. Rounded is better. None of the ones I have handled or seen are truly round.

Though a few of those in this post are more rounded that I remembered but still not round, round but rounded.

"Historically, in armor scholarship there a tendency divide all extant armor into "German" and "North Italian". This satisfies man's need to put things in cubbyholes, but the reality of armor production is not so black and white as that. "

Agreed. For years I have felt this distinction was actually creating more harm than good in many respects.

RPM

[Icepocca]

What about the breastplates that the French and Italians wore under their jupons? Is there a thread in the forums on that?