fluted, spiral top Persian helm.

hjalmr · Post by **hjalmr** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:48 pm

What is it called and where can I find a picture of one?
I actually know what one looks like, but I have had a couple inquiries about this type of helmet and I can't even remember what it is called.
Any help would be greatly apriciated.

Sixtus_Goetz · Post by **Sixtus_Goetz** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:07 am

Phrygian?

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:47 am

I think what you are looking for is more of a Persian or Russian/Mongol type helm.

Look here:
http://www.geocities.com/normlaw/page13b.html

Tarquin Bjornsson · Post by **Tarquin Bjornsson** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:55 am

nah your just denying the fact that you still want my phrygian helm

the mere mention of a phrygian helm will send insane into twitching convulsions

Padrig · Post by **Padrig** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:26 pm

I remember one from A-Bob from a while back. I'll try and see if I can't fins a pic.

Pad

Edit:
http://www.thadenarmory.com/pastwork/helmet-page1-f.htm

This is not the one I was talking about. I can't find it.

InsaneIrish · Post by **InsaneIrish** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:15 pm

Padrig
Tarquinn bought Templar Bob's helm. He beat me to it be like 5 minutes(seriously).

And no....ummm, ack, tchk, tchk, %^$*$$YY....err, tck, tch thck, BLAAAA!

I don't go into twitching convulsions....no, convulsions....no....

Animal · Post by **Animal** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:34 pm

I could be wrong but I think the type of helmet you're talking about is called a 'zischagge'
I currently fight in the version that CLANG makes. Fabulous bucket. Best I ever owned. It's not fluted but the spiral bowl is just amazing stuff.

hjalmr · Post by **hjalmr** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:38 pm

I looked up both the phrygian helm and zischagge helm, and although they are both close they are not what I'm looking for.

Oh well, thanks for the replies. I guess I'll find what I'm looking for when I see it.

Ron · Post by **Ron** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:30 am

The book I have "Empire of the Sultans" (subtitled: Ottoman Art from the Khalili Collection) pictures three helmets similar to what you describe. Two have vertical flutes and one has no flutes. This book identifies them as "turban" helmets and they are identified as made for the Ottoman or Persin market in the late 15th century.

The book is on sale at the Detroit Institute of Arts for $14.95 (regularly $23.95). The exhibit was about 25% arms & armour, but there were also books, household objects, scientific stuff, etc. It is definitely a worthwhile purchase for one building a Turkish persona.

I'm a 17th century Polish reenactor, but the Poles emulated the Turks in many ways so I've built up a fair amount of material on the Turks too.

LR of E · Post by **LR of E** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:03 pm

Tariqah. It's also a type of shield shaped liked the byzantine kite. I'm currently in a house full of boxes, when I get unpacked I'll try to find the pic I have of it.

Kronos Weretiger · Post by **Kronos Weretiger** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:42 am

Is this what you are looking for?it is fluted but not in a spiral.

<img src="http://home.armourarchive.org/members/kronos/persian_helm.jpg">
hope this helps
Kronos