I just riveted together my Knee. It's a five peice job. It doesn't seem to bend far enough to me. It hugs my leg until it's bent about 100-110 degrees.
Is this enough articulation?
If not how can I increase it?
And here's A question about finish. Do I need to get all the mill scale(blue-black crap) off the metal before I paint it?
About great helms. I welded mine together completly. I was aiming to make it seamless. This was easy for me because I am a welder by trade. The welds are sound. Is this unsafe?
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Bran Forkbeard
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hi,
can't answer your first question but i think i'm qualified to shoot for the others. if you don't get off all of the mill scale then the paint will almost assuredly pop off with flakes of scale especially when hit with...oh say a stick of rattan. if you are confident with the quality of your welds and that confidence is warranted then you should be fine with a welded great helm. I don't know what kind of welding you do on the job but if it's mostly structural or the like i'd definitely get a bit of practice on the thinner stuff but other than that you should be good to go.
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can't answer your first question but i think i'm qualified to shoot for the others. if you don't get off all of the mill scale then the paint will almost assuredly pop off with flakes of scale especially when hit with...oh say a stick of rattan. if you are confident with the quality of your welds and that confidence is warranted then you should be fine with a welded great helm. I don't know what kind of welding you do on the job but if it's mostly structural or the like i'd definitely get a bit of practice on the thinner stuff but other than that you should be good to go.
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Frederich Von Teufel
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I'll field the one about articulation. This is actually simple, but there is two levels to this.
First, period harnesses. Leg harnesses in period actually didn't have the level of articulation that harnesses designed for historical recreation do (or at least, extent peices in museums don't seem to demonstrate that level of articulation.) Period harnesses had a sufficient level of articulation to allow for normal movement and riding of horses. They wouldn't have allowed you to kneel down and lean back while fighting.
Modern recreations, however, should allow you complete freedom of movement. Bend your leg. The harness you buy or make should bend _at_ _least_ as much as that. This is usually 135 degrees or more. The leg harnesses that I make tend to move around 165 degrees or so.
Frederich
First, period harnesses. Leg harnesses in period actually didn't have the level of articulation that harnesses designed for historical recreation do (or at least, extent peices in museums don't seem to demonstrate that level of articulation.) Period harnesses had a sufficient level of articulation to allow for normal movement and riding of horses. They wouldn't have allowed you to kneel down and lean back while fighting.
Modern recreations, however, should allow you complete freedom of movement. Bend your leg. The harness you buy or make should bend _at_ _least_ as much as that. This is usually 135 degrees or more. The leg harnesses that I make tend to move around 165 degrees or so.
Frederich
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Not really any answers but I have some questions that may help.
Are the lames flat or lightly dished? If they're flat dishing them should help.Is the knee dished deep enough? What do you plan on connecting the knees to? If you add a cuisse you'll gain some more articulation from that joint.
Hope this helps.
Are the lames flat or lightly dished? If they're flat dishing them should help.Is the knee dished deep enough? What do you plan on connecting the knees to? If you add a cuisse you'll gain some more articulation from that joint.
Hope this helps.
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A clue! I see a clue!
How closely fitted are your curves? If you can stick a screwdriver between the lames and cop [or even if you can't], try setting the entire joint over a ballstake and swatting it with a soft-face mallet [remove the screwdriver first...it's a test, not part of the correction] to force the curves to match better. Pay particular attention to the area that overlaps, of course, and make sure your piece is well supported at the strike point, so that you don't flatten or dent it. If that doesn't get you where you want to be, then try slotting out the rivets a bit.
Nibble a little metal away from the "inside" [toward the centerline] edge of the holes in your first lames [those that attach to the cop, and only on the holes that attach to the cop], creating a slightly sliding rivet. Do this a little at a time. checking the movement by inserting a small bolt&nut because if you go too far you'll get gapping and/or sticking. you can repeat this exercise on the second lames, where they attach to the firsts, as well, but be even more wary of gaposis.
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How closely fitted are your curves? If you can stick a screwdriver between the lames and cop [or even if you can't], try setting the entire joint over a ballstake and swatting it with a soft-face mallet [remove the screwdriver first...it's a test, not part of the correction] to force the curves to match better. Pay particular attention to the area that overlaps, of course, and make sure your piece is well supported at the strike point, so that you don't flatten or dent it. If that doesn't get you where you want to be, then try slotting out the rivets a bit.
Nibble a little metal away from the "inside" [toward the centerline] edge of the holes in your first lames [those that attach to the cop, and only on the holes that attach to the cop], creating a slightly sliding rivet. Do this a little at a time. checking the movement by inserting a small bolt&nut because if you go too far you'll get gapping and/or sticking. you can repeat this exercise on the second lames, where they attach to the firsts, as well, but be even more wary of gaposis.
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Hey, I'm not the one who titled the thread, but according to my 6 yr old son, we don't watch nearly enough BC, seeing as how I won't actually let him play his tapes 24/7.
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after the blues clues i couldnt resist it...
http://www.killfrog.com/newpages/remote.html
click on bad clues then watch em.
oh, and episode 4 is there.
aside from that, i'm afraid i cant really help a whole lot, i've only made 1 articulated knee, but i found that dishing the lames a littel made a big difference, but thats already been said.
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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:
http://www.killfrog.com/newpages/remote.html
click on bad clues then watch em.
oh, and episode 4 is there.
aside from that, i'm afraid i cant really help a whole lot, i've only made 1 articulated knee, but i found that dishing the lames a littel made a big difference, but thats already been said.
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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:
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Thank you all.
Uppon in spection of a really nice ss gothic knee. (loaned to me from my buddy Rick)I've discover that by making these peices to fit over a knee pad, I accidently made them grossly oversized.
I'm now using the elbow peices as knees and keeping the giant knees for some giant.
I still have to trim the lames about an inch. But, with your help and this beautiful example, I think I'm on my way. I'm not gonna be done for Harvest, but thats too bad for me. I'm going anyway.
My only problem now seems to be that the lames in this profesionally made peice seem to be flat, but mine won't move if they are flat. What's the trick there?
Thanks,
Forkbeard
PS how do I get a groovy catch phrase down here?
Uppon in spection of a really nice ss gothic knee. (loaned to me from my buddy Rick)I've discover that by making these peices to fit over a knee pad, I accidently made them grossly oversized.
I'm now using the elbow peices as knees and keeping the giant knees for some giant.
I still have to trim the lames about an inch. But, with your help and this beautiful example, I think I'm on my way. I'm not gonna be done for Harvest, but thats too bad for me. I'm going anyway.
My only problem now seems to be that the lames in this profesionally made peice seem to be flat, but mine won't move if they are flat. What's the trick there?
Thanks,
Forkbeard
PS how do I get a groovy catch phrase down here?
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groovey catch phrase eh? thats easy, in your profile do you have a signature? if you dont put one in, then when your typing up your loverley message you'll see that near teh bottom of the blue part there are 2 boxes, one says disable smiles, it'll make these guys 
not work, obviously...
and below it is show signature, it will make your signature pop up....
*clicks show signature*
see*points to the bottom of his post*
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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:
not work, obviously...and below it is show signature, it will make your signature pop up....
*clicks show signature*
see*points to the bottom of his post*
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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee: