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Pot Helm.... Finished pic.

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:07 am
by Halberds
This is ready for the final finishing, coloring and riveting.
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I was thinking of polished bands, ocular cross and a blue helm.
The band around the bottom is not shown because it isn't made yet.
The breath holes are added before the final polishing.

Anyway; this is what they look like during construction.
Stay tuned for the finished product.

Hal

(edited to change finished pic. in the title)

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:40 am
by Gerhard von Liebau
Looks good, Hal! Very nice job! I can't wait to see it painted! I have been scrounging around for metal for a similar project, but have been unable to find a proper amount yet! A pot helmet, because of the lack of complexity with dishing, etc... Would be a good first choice for a metallic helmet project, I think!

Hope you get some more pictures up, soon!

Cheers!

-Gregory-

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:23 am
by ROC
shweeeeeeet Ilike em!!!

ROC

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:19 pm
by T. Finkas
Nice! Am I being a egocentric nut or is that a bit like the photoshop mod I posted of the Shrugs helm? Just curious...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/f ... dshelm.jpg

Cheers,
Tim

P.S. It is always fun to see your work, Halberds----Thanks!!!

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:22 pm
by Gerhard von Liebau
*I think you're onto something, Timothy... Let's get 'em!*

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:29 pm
by Padrig
Accusing Hal of plagiarism. :shock: :x How can you? Let's burn Tim the infidel at the stake folks! I'll get the wood.




;)

Pad

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:37 pm
by Halberds
Yes Mr. Buckle, the client wanted a Maltese cross for the ocular on this helm. It is very much like your photo shop.

This is for a live steel fighter and will have the leather suspension and Y-chin strap. He will be needing a period buckle from you also.

Gregory,

This helm will not be painted, it will be polished trim and blue steel.
That is what I mean by color.
Their is some dishing required on this helm too. The top is dished and the face plate is dished and shaped for the nose. The trim is dished to match the contour of the helm also. Best of luck on your helm.

Hal

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:46 pm
by Gerhard von Liebau
This helm will not be painted, it will be polished trim and blue steel.
That is what I mean by color.


Ah, okay. That too makes sense to me! I think I'll paint mine, as I don't want to take the time to blue the steel... I'd start today, if I had the metal :(

-Gregory-

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:18 pm
by Alexander of Derlington
Hi Hal
Nice looking helm. How did you get the very precise fold in the helmet top where it rivets to the upper, is it raised or welded?

Rgds

Alex

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:25 pm
by Halberds
I have come up with a way of doing this out of need. I am not sure how others do it.

First the vertical main top is cut, shaped and welded together in the front.
This is then placed on a sheet of metal and traced around with about an inch extra.

The top plate is then cut out and dished to the desired shape. This top plate is now welded to the upper piece on the inside only.

The Beverly is used to trim around the helm crown and it is then ground with the right-angle grinder equipped with a tiger wheel, to fit flush.

A strap is rolled around the top and bolted in every hole. This strap will generally not lay down flat to follow the contour of the tapered helm so it is heated red and tapped into place with a polished hammer.

It is then removed and smoothed on the Grizzly belt sander. Then it goes to the motor mounted flap wheel, then to the buffing wheel. This finishing is important before the final riveting.

Now you know my secret. It works for me, your mileage may vary.

Hal

Ps: This is a pic of a similar helm with out the trim strap:
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/h ... /mine1.jpg

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:31 am
by Alexander of Derlington
Thanks for the info Hal.

Rgds


Alex

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:29 pm
by Halberds
This the next stage before assembly. Very little finishing left to do....
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It now needs to be bolted back together. I remove one nut and bolt at a time, and add a rivet. That is the way I make helms.

This helm is christened..... "Justice"......

Halberds

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:37 pm
by DAVID01
OH Hal, you should scrap all that and send it to me to hide for you. :lol:

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:52 pm
by Halberds
I know Mr. Mead...It looks pretty crappy now...but just you wait.

Besides this is a hundred years or so ahead of your time line.

If we had a time machine, I chuckle at the inaccuracies a modern traveler would have.

Imagine a soldier showing up for the desert storm war outfitted as a WWI recruit.

Hal

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:38 pm
by DAVID01
Halberds wrote:I know Mr. Mead...It looks pretty crappy now...but just you wait.

Besides this is a hundred years or so ahead of your time line.

If we had a time machine, I chuckle at the inaccuracies a modern traveler would have.

Imagine a soldier showing up for the desert storm war outfitted as a WWI recruit.

Hal


You _do_ know I was jesting :wink: actually it was an evil scheme to shame you into putting this prize in my hands :twisted: Apparently one that failed :cry:

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:52 pm
by Gerhard von Liebau
Rah! Lookin' good, Hal'! Can't wait to see it all assembled! It'll be mighty pretty, that's for sure.

-Gregory-

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:15 am
by Halberds
[/quote]

You _do_ know I was jesting :wink: actually it was an evil scheme to shame you into putting this prize in my hands :twisted: Apparently one that failed :cry:[/quote]

Yes I do; however my shelf of shame can no longer hold any more helms, and the creek is plum full of junk.

;-)

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:37 pm
by Halberds
This is the last assembly before the rivets.
The color and finish are complete.
Image
Next will be the leather suspension and chin strap.

I hope I don't add a premature rivet where the liner goes, I do not enjoy drilling out rivets.

Hal

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:09 pm
by Gerhard von Liebau
Very nice looking! I like the blued surface, if you'd call it bluing... Darkening, however you want to put it:p Makes a nice contrast from the trim and cross!

Good job, once again, Hal'!

-Gregory-

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:05 pm
by sebastian
:shock:
Please tell me the buyer doesn't live in An Tir!

Someone might get us confused.

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:20 pm
by Halberds
Hi Sebastian,

No, this is a live steel fighter I don't think your swords will cross.
This is not a copy of Shrugs. Very different. You have a one of a kind.

Hal

Ps: Did you attach the maile, I would like a pic of that.

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:58 pm
by sebastian
The maille I got might be to short. I am still playing with it.
I have been fighting with bronchitis for the last 2 weeks so I am not in the Fix it now mood.
I'll get you a picture as soon as it gets the maille.

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:21 am
by Cat
Hal,
Very nice job..AGAIN! :) How, exactly, do you expect me to catch up to you when you keep producing awesome helm after awsome helm? Maybe you could take a couple decades off while I gain some experience?? :)

Do you think that top could be made in one piece? I'm thinking since it seems to narrow at the bottom that it would be a pain in the butt when you bend the sides down. It would probably wrinkle all up.

Anyway, could we get a front picture when finished? We likes the visor. ;)

Cat

nose

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:43 pm
by Ideval
Hey, Halberds, nice helm!

I'm curious about the nose-depth of this helm.

Does it have enough room in the "visor" plate?

Idëval

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:59 pm
by Mike Garrett (Orc)
Mr Hal, for my future consideration, how much would you charge for a pot helm like that, but un-blued and with a nasal instead of visor?

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:55 pm
by Halberds
This helm is finished. Their is nothing I can do to improve it.
The pics are here:
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/h ... anside.jpg
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/h ... sfront.jpg
http://home.armourarchive.org/members/h ... hansin.jpg
The leather work is rubed down with neats foot oil.
I feel sorry for all the neats with dry feet.
I hope they don't kill them to get this leather oil.

Hal

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:13 am
by Cat
Thank you for the pics. We likes it very much!

You will have another very happy customer!

Cat

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:21 am
by Halberds
Hi Miss. Cat.

By catching up, I meant that your ocular tool would be no good after the eyes are cut. I will have to re-think your dilemma.

Probably the best bet is to use your dishing hammer back side as a stake.
Pinch it in the vice and pound away on the flair.

Be careful not to let it rip in the corners.

Hal

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:29 am
by Halberds
Orc wrote:Mr. Hal, for my future consideration, how much would you charge for a pot helm like that, but un-blued and with a nasal instead of visor?


Hi Mr. Orc,

I charge a lot of money for my helms.
I charge the shipping also.
I deliver on time.
No payment due until final pics.
I offer a money back guarantee.
I produce quality art.

What do you mean by a nasal on a pot helm?

Hal

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:59 am
by Gerhard von Liebau
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say he's after something like this...

Sorry for the dumb image, did it in the last few minutes!

-Gregory-

(p.s. Didn't get time to do the mail:D)

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 2:07 am
by sebastian
Damn!
I should of had you make a suspension setup like that for "Shrugs"
Would have saved me the massive trouble of padding it so it would ride right.

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:36 am
by Mike Garrett (Orc)
Thats the style Greg, yes. Like this one (not best example)

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:20 pm
by Halberds
Hi Mr. Orc PM sent.

Mr. Sebastian, did you use the boxers head padding with a little extra on the top?


Miss. Cat, the tinfoil method works very well; that is the way we made the skull face.

Hal

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:41 pm
by Gerhard von Liebau
Lol, Orc... I forgot that Deepeeka made a helmet like that. Would have been much simpler! But, I've decided to expand on the image I started, so, once I finish the mail and face detail, for fun, I'll show it to you guys again;)

-Gregory-