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Flos est puellarum, quam diligio, et rosa rosarum, quam sepe video.
"My love is a flower among virgins, and a rose among roses"
Got a few thousand $$ to spare?
or perhaps..
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--Edric de Aldebury--
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Flos est puellarum, quam diligio, et rosa rosarum, quam sepe video.
"My love is a flower among virgins, and a rose among roses"
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--Edric de Aldebury--
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Flos est puellarum, quam diligio, et rosa rosarum, quam sepe video.
"My love is a flower among virgins, and a rose among roses"
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Hi All,
Well, the Fredrick the Victorious suit it obviously ain't. That said, it is a heck of a lot better than most "home decorator" armour that has been sold since WWII (just take a look at the Noble Collection catalog if you need a reminder).
If you want something that looks like a 15th century Milanese with only a minor squint to make it palatable, it ain't a bad thing. I would heartily reccommend it to those folks who always wanted a suit of armour to display in their foyer/study/den/library, and maybe struggle it on for Haloween or a costume party.
Obviously, it wouldn't do for SCA combat, and it isn't good enough to pass muster for reenactment or living history. If some well meaning but insane relation with more cash than common sense wished to bestow one on me as a present, I would gladly take it, and use it for decoration. They did include some nice little details like the lance rest - even as unfunctional as it obviously is.
You could do a lot worse for the dough, and it is better than the past "Duke of Burgundy" suit from MR.
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Bob R.
Well, the Fredrick the Victorious suit it obviously ain't. That said, it is a heck of a lot better than most "home decorator" armour that has been sold since WWII (just take a look at the Noble Collection catalog if you need a reminder).
If you want something that looks like a 15th century Milanese with only a minor squint to make it palatable, it ain't a bad thing. I would heartily reccommend it to those folks who always wanted a suit of armour to display in their foyer/study/den/library, and maybe struggle it on for Haloween or a costume party.
Obviously, it wouldn't do for SCA combat, and it isn't good enough to pass muster for reenactment or living history. If some well meaning but insane relation with more cash than common sense wished to bestow one on me as a present, I would gladly take it, and use it for decoration. They did include some nice little details like the lance rest - even as unfunctional as it obviously is.
You could do a lot worse for the dough, and it is better than the past "Duke of Burgundy" suit from MR.
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Bob R.
I'd much rather have the second suit, if I had a pile of money laying about...
"Fred's" suit doesnt' look too bad, at least compared to much of the stuff on ebay/mr/noble/et al, as Chef said.
Needs more dishing on the left pauldron, it's very similar to what I'm wearing. Both of my pauldrons match, but I wasn't planning on using a lance.
"Fred's" suit doesnt' look too bad, at least compared to much of the stuff on ebay/mr/noble/et al, as Chef said.
Needs more dishing on the left pauldron, it's very similar to what I'm wearing. Both of my pauldrons match, but I wasn't planning on using a lance.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chef de chambre:
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Obviously, it wouldn't do for SCA combat, and it isn't good enough to pass muster for reenactment or living history. If some well meaning but insane relation with more cash than common sense wished to bestow one on me as a present, I would gladly take it, and use it for decoration. They did include some nice little details like the lance rest - even as unfunctional as it obviously is.
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Chef,
I am not sure about the lance rest, I can't see well enough in the pic to see if it "folds" up or not. If it doesn't, then yes it would be a hindurance.
BUT
"It is made of a very strong 16 gauge steel and is fully wearable."
It covers knees, elbows, and kidneys in 16 gauge steel (which meets the "rigid or equivalent" terminology). The eye slot appears to meet the 1" requirement. The gauntlets I would have to see up close-- the hand lames look ok, I'd just have to check the thumb. But provided the thumb is ok, I see no reason why this wouldn't be SCA legal.
And as un-authentic to the Fredrick suit as it may be, its still more authentic in appearance than a large portion of the sca armour out there.
Aidan
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Obviously, it wouldn't do for SCA combat, and it isn't good enough to pass muster for reenactment or living history. If some well meaning but insane relation with more cash than common sense wished to bestow one on me as a present, I would gladly take it, and use it for decoration. They did include some nice little details like the lance rest - even as unfunctional as it obviously is.
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Chef,
I am not sure about the lance rest, I can't see well enough in the pic to see if it "folds" up or not. If it doesn't, then yes it would be a hindurance.
BUT
"It is made of a very strong 16 gauge steel and is fully wearable."
It covers knees, elbows, and kidneys in 16 gauge steel (which meets the "rigid or equivalent" terminology). The eye slot appears to meet the 1" requirement. The gauntlets I would have to see up close-- the hand lames look ok, I'd just have to check the thumb. But provided the thumb is ok, I see no reason why this wouldn't be SCA legal.
And as un-authentic to the Fredrick suit as it may be, its still more authentic in appearance than a large portion of the sca armour out there.
Aidan
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Just some price ranges to compare:
[img]http://www.sebastian-kempkens.de/gilteddarmor.jpg[/img]
In 18 gauge, this armour will cost you 2750 bucks, 16 gauge 3000 thats custom sizing fully wearable. For stadard sized displa ymodel you can knock off another 5%
[img]http://www.sebastian-kempkens.de/maximilian.jpg[/img]
The Maximillian is more expensive, 4200$ for 18 and 16 gauge, 5%less for non custom fit
[img]http://www.sebastian-kempkens.de/italien.jpg[/img]
This one can be had for 2300$ in 16 and 18 gauge, 5% less for standard size
So... I do not think the mass produced armor that these people are offering are in any way a good deal. You could get a far nicer set here in Europe that was custom made and fully usable for less money than what is commonly offered on ebay, even though I agree that it looks better than most of the stuf foffered on the web.
Tired....need sleep... will go to bed and hope i did not piss anybody off with this post...
Sebastian
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[img]http://www.sebastian-kempkens.de/gilteddarmor.jpg[/img]
In 18 gauge, this armour will cost you 2750 bucks, 16 gauge 3000 thats custom sizing fully wearable. For stadard sized displa ymodel you can knock off another 5%
[img]http://www.sebastian-kempkens.de/maximilian.jpg[/img]
The Maximillian is more expensive, 4200$ for 18 and 16 gauge, 5%less for non custom fit
[img]http://www.sebastian-kempkens.de/italien.jpg[/img]
This one can be had for 2300$ in 16 and 18 gauge, 5% less for standard size
So... I do not think the mass produced armor that these people are offering are in any way a good deal. You could get a far nicer set here in Europe that was custom made and fully usable for less money than what is commonly offered on ebay, even though I agree that it looks better than most of the stuf foffered on the web.
Tired....need sleep... will go to bed and hope i did not piss anybody off with this post...
Sebastian
[This message has been edited by Vallconnan (edited 02-09-2002).]
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chef de chambre
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Hi Aiden,
Mid 15th century Italian lance rests are invariably attatched to the breastplate with 4 staples and a pin, which makes for easy removal. They are fairly beefy - they had to be for the task.
This example is made of folded sheet steel, and is permanently welded in place. It does not resemble the Fredrich the victorious suit due to a number of factors, the most glaringly obvious is the original had an interesting great bascinet, there were 'besagew' rereguards on the pauldrons, the sollierets had long poulaines, and in no way resemled these examples, etc.
As decorator armour, it ain't bad. As to looking like a real Milanese suit - only in a dark corner and squinting from a distance. You can get a mild steel reproduction half-harness of high quality (reenactment or living history grade)for almost the cost of that suit. That suit is largly stamped out of sheet, with the occasional bead roller put to work. It would last a year or less in SCA combat from the damage to heavier armour I have seen.
It is in no way good for reenactment or living history. It may even be prettier than a lot of steel SCA armour, but it wouldn't serve the purpose as well.
My money would be better spent elsewhere. Glen Kyle got a fully functional mid-quality historical harness from Illusion a year and a half back for less money than that.
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Bob R.
[This message has been edited by chef de chambre (edited 02-09-2002).]
Mid 15th century Italian lance rests are invariably attatched to the breastplate with 4 staples and a pin, which makes for easy removal. They are fairly beefy - they had to be for the task.
This example is made of folded sheet steel, and is permanently welded in place. It does not resemble the Fredrich the victorious suit due to a number of factors, the most glaringly obvious is the original had an interesting great bascinet, there were 'besagew' rereguards on the pauldrons, the sollierets had long poulaines, and in no way resemled these examples, etc.
As decorator armour, it ain't bad. As to looking like a real Milanese suit - only in a dark corner and squinting from a distance. You can get a mild steel reproduction half-harness of high quality (reenactment or living history grade)for almost the cost of that suit. That suit is largly stamped out of sheet, with the occasional bead roller put to work. It would last a year or less in SCA combat from the damage to heavier armour I have seen.
It is in no way good for reenactment or living history. It may even be prettier than a lot of steel SCA armour, but it wouldn't serve the purpose as well.
My money would be better spent elsewhere. Glen Kyle got a fully functional mid-quality historical harness from Illusion a year and a half back for less money than that.
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Bob R.
[This message has been edited by chef de chambre (edited 02-09-2002).]