Ok, so I have 'heard' of this term. Does anyone know what it is or what it involves, or is the guy I heard it from on PCB or some such. By memory, he believed it was used to etch a latten border with inscriptions.
Mike
Photo etching??
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lynxicanus:
Ok, so I have 'heard' of this term. Does anyone know what it is or what it involves, or is the guy I heard it from on PCB or some such. By memory, he believed it was used to etch a latten border with inscriptions. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, PCB is exactly right... This method is used in commercial shops to etch Printed Circuit Boards.
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Ok, so I have 'heard' of this term. Does anyone know what it is or what it involves, or is the guy I heard it from on PCB or some such. By memory, he believed it was used to etch a latten border with inscriptions. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, PCB is exactly right... This method is used in commercial shops to etch Printed Circuit Boards.
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Do you mean the Print Gocco silkscreen kit? I've got one and have made some neat stuff with it, although after the first couple, if there is a lot of detail, it gets kind of sloppy. I've been through this process here before, but if you really are interested, I'll explain tomorrow. I get tired of researching, typing and explaining when no one is really interested.
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Thanks for the offer, I would love to hear about the details, and especially the capabilities of this form of engraving.
As I said, I understand this was used to engrave detailed latin verse onto brass. However the person who told me this had no idea what this involved. Any info would be much appreciated and possibly much used.
Mike
Mike
Thanks for the offer, I would love to hear about the details, and especially the capabilities of this form of engraving.
As I said, I understand this was used to engrave detailed latin verse onto brass. However the person who told me this had no idea what this involved. Any info would be much appreciated and possibly much used.
Mike
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"I understand this was used to engrave detailed latin verse onto brass. However the person who told me this had no idea what this involved. Any info would be much appreciated and possibly much used.
I think you're speaking of the borders on late 14th century/early 15th century (probably Italian) armour like the Churburg 13 and a Bascinet in the Royal Armouries.
The techniques for decorating the copper alloy borders is definitely not etching, but two different types of engraving. Engraving is where a sliver of metal is cut to form lines, usually with a "graver" and a small engraving hammer to push it along. This is the usual technique for making the words or floral figures on this type of armour, with the background engraved with a different technique we usually refer to as "wiggle graving". This is done by walking a narrow chisel back and forth on its corners, twisting the wrist, forming a zig zag which at a small distance looks like a line. This techniques was used on the famous bascinet in the Royal Armouries and is also seen on countless buckle and buckle plates in the 14th and 15th centuries.
For a little more info, you can look at the MoL's "Dress Accessories" book.
If you look very close at the helmets and armour in question you'll see the techniques I mention. It's definitely not etching, which is a very different process suited to different decoration. I suppose you could approximate the engraved decoration by using etching instead, but it seems like it would be more work in the long run unless you were setting up for mass production. I believe Museum Reps uses etching on the borders of their Ch #13 replica, but they're making many pieces and that's what photo etching is really good at.
If you're doing one-offs, I'd recommend engraving. Tooling is inexpensive and trouble free.
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I think you're speaking of the borders on late 14th century/early 15th century (probably Italian) armour like the Churburg 13 and a Bascinet in the Royal Armouries.
The techniques for decorating the copper alloy borders is definitely not etching, but two different types of engraving. Engraving is where a sliver of metal is cut to form lines, usually with a "graver" and a small engraving hammer to push it along. This is the usual technique for making the words or floral figures on this type of armour, with the background engraved with a different technique we usually refer to as "wiggle graving". This is done by walking a narrow chisel back and forth on its corners, twisting the wrist, forming a zig zag which at a small distance looks like a line. This techniques was used on the famous bascinet in the Royal Armouries and is also seen on countless buckle and buckle plates in the 14th and 15th centuries.
For a little more info, you can look at the MoL's "Dress Accessories" book.
If you look very close at the helmets and armour in question you'll see the techniques I mention. It's definitely not etching, which is a very different process suited to different decoration. I suppose you could approximate the engraved decoration by using etching instead, but it seems like it would be more work in the long run unless you were setting up for mass production. I believe Museum Reps uses etching on the borders of their Ch #13 replica, but they're making many pieces and that's what photo etching is really good at.
If you're doing one-offs, I'd recommend engraving. Tooling is inexpensive and trouble free.
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Cheers,
Jeffrey Hedgecock,
Armourer
Historic Enterprises
http://www.historicenterprises.com