Link to pics of Armour I made for a wedding

Ugo · Post by **Ugo** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:55 am

Hey ASSHAT!

Notice the first post.... he said it's slightly fantasy... NEVER said it was an anally acurate peice or wedding. GawD !!!!
If that were the case, it probably would have been posted in the research & authenticity forum. :roll:

Whether I like it or not, he put alot of work into it & I can appreciate that work. If I would have known about this little archive...this little "gathering of minds & experts & armchair intelectuals " when I started armouring, I probably would have given up before I even got started! How 'bout constructive comments? maybe guidance & support for those wanting to learn? Yeah there's alot of stuff out there that should be taken to the recycle bin, but maybe helping people recognize line, finish, helping them understand shape , ergonomics, articulation might be a little more conducive to better work. Most don't have access to real pieces to grasp these things, or someone to open their eyes to the research available. THAT"S...maybe WHY they come HERE.

....It's always the new ones that act like a bull in a china shop...or "has to be the PRICK"

I think I'm done here, I'm moving on.
anybody not a PRICK knows how to find me if they need me, so

good bye.

DELETEMYACCOUNT · Post by **DELETEMYACCOUNT** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:10 am

Theres a big difference between someone saying 'look what I made for a wedding' and 'look at this perfectly authentic 15th century armor/garb whatever'
And we all know that all 15th century heavy metal bands of the period wore all black. :roll:

freiman the minstrel · Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:17 am

Animal Weretiger wrote:Theres a big difference between someone saying 'look what I made for a wedding' and 'look at this perfectly authentic 15th century armor/garb whatever'
And we all know that all 15th century heavy metal bands of the period wore all black.

Well Animal, there's black and there's black.

And I think that every person who has studied Metal Edge (or even Tiger Beat) from the 1400's knows that period rivetheads wore Black Leather, not Black Linen.

sheesh!

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freiman the minstrel · Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:22 am

And I hate that I missed this.

Ted, the armor looks great. I think that the groom has the cuisses hiked up a little high, though. It makes the greaves seem a little short.

Gaston,
The photos of your wedding are beautiful. How long ago was it?

freiman

Maeryk · Post by **Maeryk** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:23 am

Now that (in referance to Sir Gaston's pictures) is a classy wedding. Freiman the seems to be just an excuse for those people (includeding the bride and groom) not giving a flying you know what about being historicly correct.

Heres a concept, maybe they didn't give a flying crap about it being "historicly correct". Maybe they wanted to have fun, and had an idea of what they wanted it to look like, and got exactly what they wanted?

Not everyone knows, or EVEN CARES what "historic" is. Ya dig? How big a hit was Knight's Tale? How big a hit are the History Channel series that deal with (mostly) _REAL_ stuff?

You look, frankly (and if you are your friend, no offense meant) like an ass with your comments above. It was pretty. Everyone looked happy.
They were married (presumably) exactly the way they wanted to be, and that is great.

Personally, I think you are being a bit daft with your "I will be totally anal about my wedding blah blah blah" crap.. you are kinda, I suspect, missing the WHOLE DAMN POINT of the day. (for starters, it's not your day.. it's hers.. but that is a whole nother kettle of fish).

But you do what you want.. as they did.

Back to the main topic, nice armor! Great wedding!

Maeryk

David Edwinson · Post by **David Edwinson** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:25 am

Maeryk wrote: (for starters, it's not your day.. it's hers.. but that is a whole nother kettle of fish).

Maeryk

Ain't that the truth! Everyone knows that the wedding day is for the bride, and the honeymoon is for the groom! :twisted:

MigueldZ · Post by **MigueldZ** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:26 am

Nice wedding, but he should have had to fight his way to the bride with his buddies to back him up.

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:25 pm

Thanks Guys you made my wifeÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s day. She is one of those silly girls who think she's not that pretty. :roll:

The wedding was 9 1/2 years ago and we are happy as ever.
For those of you who know him, the guy in the armet is Luke Apker.
Any one know his where abouts these days?

As for the main wedding of this thread, if they had a great time, who cares what it looked like. My only critique is the armour seems to be ill fit.
If this is because it was not complete, well I'd like to see it complete. However it looks to me as though there are big gaps in the way plates fit. So, fantasy or not, I think looking at how pieces should work together would improve your suits greatly. The finish work is clean and nice.

MigueldZ · Post by **MigueldZ** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:10 pm

Luke Apker, man he's cool. I met him and Zora at a hammer in in Riverside about a zillion years ago. Learned so much from him in that afternoon. He brought a fabulous aluminum kabuto, with the snarling face and all (sorry, I don't know all the terms and don't want to butcher them). He told us he made it in aluminum to save on shipping costs so he could send it to the customer for fitting, then make it again in steel :shock:

Anyway, last I heard (and this info may be very very out of date) he was either in the bay area, or in New Zealand, I remember hearing that he got a good job offer there.

Wolffhart · Post by **Wolffhart** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:06 pm

Ugo wrote:Hey ASSHAT!

Notice the first post.... he said it's slightly fantasy... NEVER said it was an anally acurate peice or wedding. GawD !!!!
If that were the case, it probably would have been posted in the research & authenticity forum.

.

Hey DUMBASS!
Go back and re-read my posts, I never once insulted Tim's armour, He right out claimed it to be fantasy didn't say a negative word about it, just wanted to know what piece if any he loosely based it on, and I complimented it for being nice fantasy armour. I even said the wedding was most likely a lot of fun, they should have just left out the "Day in the life of the 15th century" bit.
Really I made ONE negative comment about it that it looked like a ren faire and it does, certainly doesn't merit being strung up by my toes.

Heres a concept, maybe they didn't give a flying crap about it being "historicly correct".

Never said they did, never said they had to, but neither are ren faires or medieval themed movies but it's ok to poke fun of those.

Maybe they wanted to have fun, and had an idea of what they wanted it to look like, and got exactly what they wanted?

It looks like they did, and I even stated as long as they where happy thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all that matters

Not everyone knows, or EVEN CARES what "historic" is. Ya dig? How big a hit was Knight's Tale? How big a hit are the History Channel series that deal with (mostly) _REAL_ stuff?

I agree, and how damaging are those things on the efforts of people trying to educate people about those things?..very

Personally, I think you are being a bit daft with your "I will be totally anal about my wedding blah blah blah" crap.. you are kinda, I suspect, missing the WHOLE DAMN POINT of the day. (for starters, it's not your day.. it's hers.. but that is a whole nother kettle of fish).

I'm not really missing point at all, Your assuming that my girlfriend is really into the whole wedding magic thing, if fact she doesn't really care at all, if it was up to her we'd just go down to the court and not have any celebration, she likes the idea I came up with and wants me to handle the details less stress for her.

Well Animal, there's black and there's black.

And I think that every person who has studied Metal Edge (or even Tiger Beat) from the 1400's knows that period rivetheads wore Black Leather, not Black Linen.

sheesh

Frieman, that was pretty funny, and I mean that without sarcasm, one correction though a rivet head is someone into industrial music not metal, a metal head is someone into metal

And we all know that all 15th century heavy metal bands of the period wore all black.

Again I never claimed my kit authentic and I'm more critical on it then anyone, I think adding some history to a stale genre of music is a fresh idea. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve combined to of my interests and of course as things do the band will evolve (You should see what the other members where definitely room for a lot of improvement)

and again as for the wedding it wasn't my intention to say the shouldn't have had their wedding like that, it was just to poke a little fun at it, and I wasn't the only one to do so, just to only one to burned that the cyber stake :wink:

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:17 pm

I dunno guys.... while what wraithgaurd wrote didnt really sound all too nice, what crazysaxon wrote i found to be much more in ill taste.

crazysaxon have you ever tried to outfit a wedding? Do you realize how much it costs? Do you realize how hard it probably was to get some of those people to wear what was given to them?

But also wraith..... a wedding is nothing to pike fun at....enless its to say that the bride should have held out for something better

(just kidding!!)

I give major KUDOS to this couple. I have wanted to have a medieval-flavpred wedding ever since I was a kid. (yes I was an odd young boy, I used to think about my wedding) I had a whole idea for what i wanted my wedding armor to look like... I designed a wedding sword that incorperated the wedding rings into the hilt. Then I met the girl that i am going to marry.....and while she is into the whole Renn Faire thing... and into medieval stuff as well...... she told me NO way is she going to marry me if i show up to the ceremony wearing armor. :lol:

And like the well trained boyfriend... replied with..... "Yed dear, whatever will make you happy."

Sebastian K · Post by **Sebastian K** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:01 pm

Wraithguard wrote:
Heres a concept, maybe they didn't give a flying crap about it being "historicly correct".

Never said they did, never said they had to, but neither are ren faires or medieval themed movies but it's ok to poke fun of those.

And we all know that all 15th century heavy metal bands of the period wore all black.

Again I never claimed my kit authentic and I'm more critical on it then anyone, I think adding some history to a stale genre of music is a fresh idea. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve combined to of my interests and of course as things do the band will evolve (You should see what the other members where definitely room for a lot of improvement)

and again as for the wedding it wasn't my intention to say the shouldn't have had their wedding like that, it was just to poke a little fun at it, and I wasn't the only one to do so, just to only one to burned that the cyber stake

Well you see,

he who sits in the glasshouse should not throw stones, for starters. Don't go razzing other people when you are no better, or, considering the fact hat you are preaching, are even worse.

Second point: A wedding is not a Hollywood multi million dollar movie. Do you understand what I am trying to tell you?

And you did not get burned at a cyber stake. You spouted off, you were hurtful, people called you on it and instead of backing off, you keep making up excuses for your verbal low punch. And now you're making yourself out as the victim here,

Sebastian

Wolffhart · Post by **Wolffhart** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:51 pm

Again Sebastian I wasn't throwing stones, I was making a joke, I wasn't commending the coupleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s actions at all, but I do think they should have left out "day in the life of the 15th century" but thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just me. I can understand people personally getting upset if they where friends or family but thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not case, I can also understand there is a difference to a movie and a wedding. But what about people who dress like that for Ren faire going? Why are those people fair game(no pun intended) normaly (again I've seen in a lot of threads already even by SCA'ers) but then it's totally offensive and rude if you make a joke on their weddings. Again I'm not preaching again I never claimed my kit a snap shot from 14th century, I even stated that it was my no purpose kit. Pointing out someone was being rude is much different then calling someone an "asshat" and throwing out personal insults. You still ignore that multiple posters made jokes or insults about the wedding I was the only one to get flamed.

DELETEMYACCOUNT · Post by **DELETEMYACCOUNT** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:00 pm

Um, you sounded like a prick. Then you got called a prick. if the prick fits...
Just sayin.

Tibbie Croser · Post by **Tibbie Croser** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:28 am

Ugo, maybe if and when the Arador forums get resurrected, you could come visit? I think you'd be a great resource. I know I'd like to learn how to make "good" fantasy armor based on historical principles, and personally I've enjoyed your explanations of how armor is made for movies.

Jehan de Pelham · Post by **Jehan de Pelham** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:01 pm

Ugo has some amazing skills. His work with repousse-style armors is inspirational in a whole different direction than my first love of transitional white harness and late 14th/early 15th century battledress.

Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

Ted Banning · Post by **Ted Banning** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:58 pm

Greetings! Ugo and Gaston: We've met before....Ugo I met at an Orlando FL SCA event about ten years ago. I had a free-standing Gothic suit and a table of random stuff. And sir Gaston, we camped next to each other at Atlantean Royal...I was working on a Black Burgonet in front of my tent. It's nice to hear your comments. The strapping was put on minutes before the ceremony so the legs were too high and the shoulders too low. This was my first attempt at the rotating cuffs on a rerebrace and apparently the upper arm on the right telescoped up into itself shortly before he got off the horse which made it sit wonky. Each individual part fit him great but I really could have used another day or two to get things sitting right. The interaction of all the subcomponents to each other was somewhat off... I never really concerned myself with the actual strapping for clients so this was mostly improvised. It's been ten years since I did a full suit and I didn't factor in enough time...let that be a lesson to all of you. Normally armour deadlines are somewhat flexible but NOT FOR A WEDDING! The pressure was enourmous!

William Lee · Post by **William Lee** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:21 pm

Wraithguard wrote:Now that (in referance to Sir Gaston's pictures) is a classy wedding. Freiman the seems to be just an excuse for those people (includeding the bride and groom) not giving a flying you know what about being historicly correct. I know when I comes to me and my girlfriends wedding no member of my or her family is making my wedding into something that strays from what I and her have planned, I personaly want my wedding to look like a period correct wedding,Granted that means no Armour or weapons since it would be a wedding. The only problem would be getting my family in friends into correct garb.

With all due respect...

I think it was more important to them that they made vows of fidelity in front of witnesses, and pledged to spend their lives together "til death do us part". I think anything else was window-dressing.

Let's be fair--if it were my wedding, that's what would be important to me...not whether it received the AuthentiSnob Seal of ApprovalÃ‚Â® Ã¢â€žÂ¢

But then, that would be my priority for my wedding. Your mileage may vary.

Suffice it to say, I expect you spoke out of turn, and would like to take back words spoken out of haste. I'll just assume you had a lapse of judgement.

Wolffhart · Post by **Wolffhart** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:56 pm

William Lee wrote:With all due respect...

I think it was more important to them that they made vows of fidelity in front of witnesses, and pledged to spend their lives together "til death do us part". I think anything else was window-dressing.

Let's be fair--if it were my wedding, that's what would be important to me...not whether it received the AuthentiSnob Seal of ApprovalÃ‚Â® Ã¢â€žÂ¢

But then, that would be my priority for my wedding. Your mileage may vary.

Suffice it to say, I expect you spoke out of turn, and would like to take back words spoken out of haste. I'll just assume you had a lapse of judgement.

Congratulations...youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re the winner of "beating the dead house issue" badge.
You are quite arrogant to claim to know what I'm thinking,
I had no lapse in judgment nor do I wish to take my words back at all, I thought the wedding looked corny and thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s my opinion and I'm allowed to it, If it was a LOTR, Disco, Star Trek ect ect themed wedding I'd feel the same way. I'm allowed to like or dislike what ever I wish, it's an issue of personal taste, If they are happy with (which it seems they are) then thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all that matters.

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:05 pm

It's dead horse...Dead horse.
Boy, some peopleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s children!

Hmmm.. "Wraithgaurd" is that a period name?

Ok ok ok...I know I shouldn't have......But I CAN"T CONTROL, get conTROLL...myself...ha ha ha

Sorry, I'm flogging myself now,
I will not antagonize the children, I will not antagonize the children, I will not antagonize the children, I'm sorry, I will not antagonize the children, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m sorry, I will not antagonize the children, I will not antagonize the children, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m Sorry, I will not antagonize the children, I will not antagonize the children, I will not antagonize the children, I will not antagonize the children, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m Sorry, I will not antagonize the children,

Sorry, I'm flogging myself now, I will not antagonize the childern,

William Lee · Post by **William Lee** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:11 pm

Wraithguard wrote:
William Lee wrote:With all due respect...

I think it was more important to them that they made vows of fidelity in front of witnesses, and pledged to spend their lives together "til death do us part". I think anything else was window-dressing.

Let's be fair--if it were my wedding, that's what would be important to me...not whether it received the AuthentiSnob Seal of ApprovalÃ‚Â® Ã¢â€žÂ¢

But then, that would be my priority for my wedding. Your mileage may vary.

Suffice it to say, I expect you spoke out of turn, and would like to take back words spoken out of haste. I'll just assume you had a lapse of judgement.

Congratulations...youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re the winner of "beating the dead house issue" badge.
You are quite arrogant to claim to know what I'm thinking,
I had no lapse in judgment nor do I wish to take my words back at all, I thought the wedding looked corny and thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s my opinion and I'm allowed to it, If it was a LOTR, Disco, Star Trek ect ect themed wedding I'd feel the same way. I'm allowed to like or dislike what ever I wish, it's an issue of personal taste, If they are happy with (which it seems they are) then thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all that matters.

...and you're equally allowed to be roundly criticized for stating your opinion in such cavalier manner. It's part and parcel of not choosing your words with any modicum of tact. But I don't really have a dog in this fight, so opine away...

For what it's worth, I was trying not to presume the worst of your poorly-chosen attempt at humor. But I've heard it said, "It's better to be silent and merely be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". It's abundantly, demonstratively clear (in your case)...but at this point, it's just amusing to watch you open your mouth to exchange feet.

By all means....keep it up! It's funny.

Wolffhart · Post by **Wolffhart** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:52 pm

Sir Gaston wrote:Hmmm.. "Wraithgaurd" is that a period name?

No it's a username, The one I use on everyboard I post on,

William Lee wrote:"It's better to be silent and merely be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". It's abundantly, demonstratively clear (in your case)...but at this point, it's just amusing to watch you open your mouth to exchange feet.

By all means....keep it up! It's funny.

To think my methods where rude or crude is understandable, but if you've ever made a joke about someoneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s tastes on anything..you are a hypocrite, and thinking someone is a fool for having a difference of opinion then your own, just makes you look like a bigot , I never did think those people as stupid or ill of them, I don't dislike people because of differences in taste, doesn't mean I'll ever like what they do. In my opinion the wedding looked very ren faire clichÃƒÂ©, I doubt I was the only one to think it, just the only one to really express it, I don't walk on egg shells for people, and if I am wrong about something(accuracy, research, factual data) I personal would like to hear it so I can learned what is correct, and make what ever improvements need to be made, if I had bad breath and someone rudely make a comment about needing tooth paste, I'd be glad because then I'd know to fix it rather then walking around oblivious.

freiman the minstrel · Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:22 pm

Guys,

I think we are biting the troll bait on this one. I mean, I think that somebody is having us on.

More and more this is seeming like WG is not actually a real person, but rather somebody having a go at us.

f

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:42 pm

Two nice weddings with happy people creating a beautiful fantasy with some nice armour!

Good job and may God Bless these marriages!

And yes, Gaston's Bride does look astounding in those pictures...the armour next to her does a nice job of a reflective mirror to make sure the highlights on the bride are brought out. Now that is a groom who knows how to compliment his lady!

-Aaron

Mike Garrett (Orc) · Post by **Mike Garrett (Orc)** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:43 pm

HOLD!

Nice armour. Looks like they had a good day.

St. George · Post by **St. George** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:32 pm

Come on Gaston, it's Halloween time...

Here are some great Halloween jokes!

Why do vampires need mouthwash?
They have bat breath...

What do ghouls eat at the beach?
Sand witches.

How do witches keep their hair in place while flying?
With scare spray...

What type of dog do vampire's like the best?
Bloodhounds...

What does a vampire never order at a restaurant?
A stake sandwich...

Who is the Archive's favorite whipping boy?
Alucard the Druid?

Who can you make appear by saying his name three times?
Blankenshield, Blankenshield, Blankenshield!

What's a vampire's favorite deoderant?
Wraithguard

Happy almost Halloween,

Alaric