The Armour Archive

Greetings! It's been a while since I've posted pics of my work. This armour is slightly fantasy, but it generally follows historical design....let's call it non-fluted transitional between gothic and Max. Enjoy!
http://www.burns-net.com/mark&ann/aknightstale.html

Better use this link. it works:

http://www.burns-net.com/mark&ann/aknightstale.htm

Very nice. Whatr is it made of? Polished and blackened stainless?

Very nice stuff, dressing in armour for their wedding, these people obviosly have style.

Ted no offence if these people are your friends, but those costumes look like the wedding party just looted a ren faire..

Damn dude and here I thought I was a dick! Thanks for taking some of the pressure off of me Wraithguard!

My comment is like this: These things often come out bad and embarrasing, but as these things go, this looked like it was classy and enjoyed with good spirit by everyone present.

Ted, your armor makes a good impression, the breakup of the colors strikes the eyes. The strapping looks brand new and unfinished, and it looked like the greaves were over the lower lames of the cuisse below the knee in every shot--maybe when putting it on he went backwards? Congrats!

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

I don't mind being the prick..some one has to be . No the wedding does look fun, and if they are happy with the turn out thats the only thing thats important. But for when my wedding comes I personaly plan on being anal as hell about being historical. As for the armour, it's nice fantasy armour, but I don't see the historical design, what piece is it loosely based on?

Ted no offence if these people are your friends, but those costumes look like the wedding party just looted a ren faire..

So? Did you have a point to make? Come on it was a wedding not a L.H. event.

Anyway nice stuff, I like the B&W. Just didnt care for the helm, some how it didnt mix well, makes it look like alu.

but what kind of pertrubs me is they claim it to be a 15th century wedding..
http://www.burns-net.com/mark&ann/the-bulletin/bulletin-16.html They even use medieval art in the bulletin..didn't they look at it(the art that is) and go "hey...we don't look anything like this"

Minotaur wrote:

Ted no offence if these people are your friends, but those costumes look like the wedding party just looted a ren faire..

So? Did you have a point to make? Come on it was a wedding not a L.H. event.

Anyway nice stuff, I like the B&W. Just didnt care for the helm, some how it didnt mix well, makes it look like alu.

Yes I did have a point...it was that the wedding party looked like it looted a ren faire, seriouly if your going to spend all the money on a "medieval" wedding why not do some research and do it correctly?

Ah, a movie themed wedding. aka "A Knight's Tale"

No, thats a one liner not a point.

From your other posts, your point is you dont like it because it wasnt historical. Why point it out in a nice way when you can crack a joke at them right? Its not like it would make them feel bad or anything.

Well if you knew my point why are you asking if I had one? Yes it was a joke, but I doubt just pointing out the thing was inaccurate would have been considered any less rude, I seriously doubt that any one involved in that wedding (besides Tim) reads these forums. Even if it was accurate I take it the wedding would be made fun of by people besides myself, it happens if you stray from the norm. I seriouly doubt they even care what someone they don't know on the internet, thinks about their wedding.

Great job on the wedding, that looks like a LARGE amount of work. I'd be proud of it personally. Lots of people doing lots of work and looking like they're having lots of fun.

I think it looked awesome, and light-years ahead of most of the "medieval weddings" I have seen. Of course it wasn't authentic, I doubt it was meant to be. It was a fairy-tale wedding.

Now I do have to say, though, the poor horse here looks like he's wearing a sleeping bag:

http://www.burns-net.com/mark&ann/album ... g_0160.htm



Steve

I don't really have an opinion on the Wedding itself, I just wanted people to see the Armour. The client wasn't someone I knew but he was very kind nonetheless. He had some defined ideas before we talked, so I tried to accomodate those as much as I felt comfortable. 1) he loved gothic stuff, but not the flutes nor the sallet. 2) He wanted mostly black to be analogous to a tux 3) he really wanted the arms to be fully sleeved and rotate on beaded cuffs, and 4) He loved dragons
I barely got this out in time so the straps were minutes old. The wings for the arms weren't ready nor were the full greaves or the bevor on the close helm. He was quite happy so all's well.

Ah....no high middle ages/renaissance based wedding would be complete without the requisite Scot in full tartan and back slung claymore. *cough*

I gotta agree with Wraithguard....while everyone looks really good, I wouldnt say they look historical.

The bride....wow....thats a gorgeous gown....clothing isnt my strong point in any period, never mind 15th century, so most of it looks ok to me, but the kilts and tartan made me wince.

The hanger for the dads sword looks like its hanging way too low...is that supposed to be that low? I thought it was supposed to be further up on the hip?

Otherwise, the only other thing I can say is crikies...that shindig must have cost a fortune...I read that the average cost of a wedding nowadays is around 20 grand..... I only spent about 2 on mine and thought it was a lot. But hey, who cares what we think...it was their special day...and judging by the looks of the people in those images, it was a special day for everyone. Thats a once in a lifetime event right there folks...cut em some slack....Most of those in attendance wouldnt know the difference anyways, and they're not claiming its a documentary on 15th century marriage rites and customs and fashions.

Though now I'm wondering just how decadent and extravagant the real deal was back in the 1500's...or any date in the middle ages really....I know we have evidence in the form of paintings and such on royal and noble weddings, but imagine what it must have been like to actually BE there.

Thanks for sharing Ted, you're a far better armourer than a lot of folks that post on here, myself included.

Dave

I can agree with Wraithguard, but we're going through this whole "snarky authentic people" discussion elsewhere, and besides, this was a wedding where a lot of the people involved were probably like "Whoa! That's different!"

So, because of the nature of the event and its better than average results, I am inclined to cut it some slackage.

My wife said the same thing about the horse. He looks so freaky that I found myself just staring at the photos wondering whether he had been photoshopped in! He really is psychoactive if you stare at him too long!

Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

Wraithguard wrote:

Minotaur wrote:

Ted no offence if these people are your friends, but those costumes look like the wedding party just looted a ren faire..

So? Did you have a point to make? Come on it was a wedding not a L.H. event.

Anyway nice stuff, I like the B&W. Just didnt care for the helm, some how it didnt mix well, makes it look like alu.

Yes I did have a point...it was that the wedding party looked like it looted a ren faire, seriouly if your going to spend all the money on a "medieval" wedding why not do some research and do it correctly?

Because the bride, the bride's mom and the wedding planner have other things one their mind. Invitations, music, place cards, gift registries, weather, food, the honeymoon, shoes, getting the cake out of the sun before the sun melts the butter icing, and a host of other stuff that will be a headache even in everything (and I mean everything) goes right.

In addition, there is the stuff that goes wrong. Which table needs another guest because Uncle Bob was cavorting naked in the pool with the teenage babysitter who was definitiely not Aunt Melba, the relatives that simply can't (or wont) come because if you don't change the date because they already used their vacation days this year go go fishing, redoing all the bridesmaid's dresses because Cindy gained a pound and a half, and thinks that she looks fat im it now, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

Not to mention the possibility of a lifetime's worth of wedding pics that feature helmet hair.

Nope. A single other thing to worry about, even a good one, is one thing too many.

It's a lovely wedding.

My best regards to the newlyweds.

f

Events like this are difficult to pull off. The more people you have involved in the designing and planning the worse it gets. My wife and I put our wedding together in only 6 weeks. But we planned it and didn't have "help" from half the family. We also hired people directly and didn’t hire a bunch of wedding event planners.
We themed our wedding "Formal, any period" this way people could show up in what ever they wanted and fit in. I was in 16th C. plate and my wife’s dress was based on the Victorian painting, “The Accoladeâ€Â

Sir gaston, you are the man.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

Jehan de Pelham wrote:Sir gaston, you are the man.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

Ah, yes, I'm the one in the armour, My wife, the women is the one in the dress

Well, it's hard to tell who has the flouncier hair, but I was guessing that yes, you were the one in armor.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

She's beautiful.....way hotter than any of those typical Guinevere wanna-be's Ive ever seen. Count your blessings good sir.

Now that (in referance to Sir Gaston's pictures) is a classy wedding. Freiman the seems to be just an excuse for those people (includeding the bride and groom) not giving a flying you know what about being historicly correct. I know when I comes to me and my girlfriends wedding no member of my or her family is making my wedding into something that strays from what I and her have planned, I personaly want my wedding to look like a period correct wedding,Granted that means no Armour or weapons since it would be a wedding. The only problem would be getting my family in friends into correct garb.

It is a noble endeavor. I wish you good fortune that your day should be as you wish it, and that joy should visit all who witness the joy of your union.

Oh, and yes, Sir Gaston, your bride is indeed beautiful.

Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

armour is nice .

and some of the women are dressed rather well but the wedding party looks like shakespear festival rejects. (at least i dont have the wordt garb i have ever seen any more)

I bet Gaston didn't count the cost of his armor in that 12 grand...


-D

For the aid of those of us with slow dialup connections, I went through the first half of the picture album [The Wedding] to find the armor pics among all those dearly-beloved-we-are-gathered-here shots. The armor starts on page 11. These are representative rather than comprehensive.

IMG0120 p 11; IMG0153 p 12; IMG0166 p 13; IMG0219 p 16; IMG0233 p 18; IMG0252 p 19; all of p 20, which incl rear view; all of p 21; by then I was tired of it.

Durn nice metalwork; there is great potential for a complete harness there once the gaps get filled in. Is the harness fightable, or would it be once attention is paid to the top edges of the pauldrons and the taces and tassets filled in? What's your opinion of the mobility of the pauldrons with them standing so far abaft of the backplate like that? I'm ignoring the helmet -- that's a parade-armor item.

Wraithguard wrote:I don't mind being the prick..some one has to be .

I see Mal Voisin has found a worthy successor. So you'll be anal about Authenticity at your wedding. Good for you, best start with your own awesome all black soft kit.

NEVER come between the dreams of the wedding party and reality! Even priests, rabbis and Archbishops of Canturbury have learned this lesson. I think Ted did a really nice job on the harness, and if the client was pleased, then Ted should be very pleased with his work. Almost all wedding clothing is ritual, so I think that certainly applies to wedding armor, as well as the myriad other costumes/clothes.

Having once been involved with hauling a Danish bride across Annapolis harbor, enthroned in the bow of the Fyrdraca, I hardly have any axes to grind. As for authenticity; the wedding is as real as you’re going to get, so perhaps all of the extra ceremony added that much more to it as symbols of devotion. This was really about a wedding, not about authenticity, and it has its own reality beyond any nits that we may pick.

Lastly, compared to some of the wretched excess of the early 21st Century, it looked like a fun, low key affair; and I wish them all the luck.

As I said before- Nice job, Ted; I’m sure they appreciated it.

but what kind of pertrubs me is they claim it to be a 15th century wedding..
http://www.burns-net.com/mark&ann/the-b ... in-16.html They even use medieval art in the bulletin..didn't they look at it(the art that is) and go "hey...we don't look anything like this"

Well that is it, because the armour is not period, the marriage ain't legal.

Sebastian Kempkens wrote:

Wraithguard wrote:I don't mind being the prick..some one has to be .

I see Mal Voisin has found a worthy successor. So you'll be anal about Authenticity at your wedding. Good for you, best start with your own awesome all black soft kit.

Good slam, really I'm very crushed . I only said what most others where thinking, just to “niceâ€Â

Okay, okay, we're all armournerds here and we know it. Let's get out of sour mode, or else have the moderator lock this thread.

Wraithguard wrote:

Sebastian Kempkens wrote:

Wraithguard wrote:I don't mind being the prick..some one has to be .

I see Mal Voisin has found a worthy successor. So you'll be anal about Authenticity at your wedding. Good for you, best start with your own awesome all black soft kit.

(freiman's big snip)

they don't know personally who had an obliviously Disney version of a medieval wedding.

Well, that's just it.

The wedding was supposed to be a fairy tale (My guess, but I think it's a good guess). For weddings, Disney is good. Flexibility is good. Understanding is good. Inflexibility is the mark of a perpetual bachelor.

A theme wedding is an huge extra headache. The number of problems is increased exponentially. It's a huge risk, and folks who decide on one do it at their peril.

I really don't care one whit about a fib told on a wedding invitation or a wedding album page. What I might care about (I try not to judge) is when part of the wedding party is lying about "...'til death do you part" or (worse yet) "...forsaking all others". Having the heading on the album misleading is a whole lot better than a couple of hundred things that could go wrong.

A wedding is the bride's big day. Some of the more cynical might say it's the mother of the bride's big day. A wedding is one of the most stressful months of a young couple's life.

just my take.

freiman