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Ok well I've finally got the money to buy a compressor. So I've got questions since I don't really know much about air tools.

First will this hammer work ok? http://www.princessauto.com/_osn.cfm?CTRY=CAN&output=OSN&Factor=2&Starter=49&PageSearch=ALL&CurrentPage=4 It's fourth from the top on the left. I like the price of it.

Second someone posted a link to a site that sold a planishing bit. Where was that place I'll need to get one.

Anyone know if trailer hitch balls are hardened at all? That's what I'm planning to use as anvils.

What am I going to need besides a compressor, hose, hammer, bit, anvils and steel for the frame?

Any other tips of course will be appreciated.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

I made one that works tolerably well from a regular pistol-grip air chisel. I just use it with my regular stakes. I've found that I have to keep the working pressure around 35 lbs, or it's too hard to control.

It takes a little practice, and it's work on the shoulder to control it for long, but for doing, say, a globose breastplate, it cuts the planishing time to about 1/5.

BTW, the planishing bit I made has a slight wobble to the face portion-this is to correct for holding it at the wrong angle. Not too much play, but just a little so it can rock. And make sure you round all the edges! You can put a lot of half-moons into a nice piece real fast...

I'll be building a floor model planishing hammer. Basically a big "G" with a hammer at the top of the opening and the anvil at the bottom with the two meeting in the middle. That way you just turn it on and planish the pieces by running them between the bit and the anvil and holding the piece in 2 hands.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

Hi Matt

go here for: http://www.tinmantech.com

largest collection of data on planishers I know of. a great resource. they sell bits plans and have good pictures of their stuff.

here are some lousy pictures of my self built cam driven planisher. very very useful but damn noisy. you will be well pleased to have a power planisher. floor model like you are describing is the way to go.

mrks
squire to sir aveloc
tiarmour.com



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here Matt:

http://www.jcwhitney.com/item.jhtml?ITEMID=19711&BQ=jcw2

Matt, sent you an e-mail

-M-

Ooh, thanks for the links! I will have to build one of those.

How well does the hand air hammer work on 14-16 gauge?

The air hammer is exactly the one I used.

The bits are the ones Klangiron gave you the link to.

I too run it at around 35-40 psi.

The hitch isn'd hard enough, mine's gotten a flat spot on it pretty quick.

It works though, I can even do a little flaring if I jack the working pressure up to 50-60 psi.

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Where are the reasons
That once stood out so clear?
In a haze of compromise
They all seem to disappear

Got me some new toys last night.

Got that hammer.

Got a compressor. The cheapest one at Princess auto that would run the hammer was $420 plus tax. So I went to the hock shop and they had a nice compressor for $499 plus tax (which is %15) Talked them down to $440 taxes included. It's only a 30gal tank but it's a twin 5 horse motor. 13.5 cfm @40 psi and 10.5 cfm @ 90 psi. Basically 3 times the compressor as the princess auto one.

It's almost brand new. And the hock shop gives a 30 day warrantee on it.

Only problem now is that I need a 240 outlet for it. Luckily the cable for the dryer runs though my garage so I can just put a new outlet on it in the garage and make sure not to run the compressor and dryer at the same time. Which shouldn't be hard considering the dryer's broken.

Now I've just gotta get some steel to build the frame and an anvil for the hammer and the bit for the hammer and I'm off to the planishing races.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

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Matt,
I'm sure the wife is really happy that

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Your wife must be either:
very cool and understanding or
VERY ANGRY!


'sOkay, an angry wife can mean more time in the shop!


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HEHE. I deserved the new toys dammit.

I basically spend my life working with brief intervals of sleeping and eating. And my wife spends all the money.

The dryer we have has broken 4 times now. My parrents bout US a dryer as a christmas present. My wife's supposed to be a housewife so laundry's definitly her job. I'd like to know how that dryer is for me. It coulda been an air compressor but no.

My grandmother recently gave ME a cheque for $500. It was pity money my whole family's been having a rough time lately so she gave everyone $500. Anyway being the nice husband I am I tell the wife and say we've got $250 each to spend on something we want.

So my wife spends the $500 plus some more so that I need to buy gas with the visa. And I get nothing.

This is typical.

Yeah though my wife was pissed when I came home and told her I spent $440 on a compressor. Basically told her I don't wanna hear it just go to hell.

It's about time I get to spend some of the money that I earned. It's not really even a toy. It's something that will either mean I make more money or work less. The charger is a toy. The compressor and hammer are an investment. I probably spend more time in a month planishing then she spends in an entire year hanging laundry.

Did I mention I spent over a year not knowing if the $20 I had in my wallet for gas to go to work would be there when I woke up in the morning and comming home from work every day and finding that I had less possesions because she was pawning them. Actually the not knowing if the money for gas thing was after I got a car to go to work. Before that I didn't know if the money for the bus tickets would be there. I was trying to put away the money to buy a car which would have been less then 2 paychecks but couldn't because it kept dissapearing. Meanwhile I had a 3 hour each way bus ride to go to work. That was a while ago though. I kicked her out and she went to re-hab. Probably shouldn't have taken her back afterwards though.

Anyway sorry about the rant. It's a sore spot for me.
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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

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I was going to make a snide remark about the drier, but I think I will keep my mouth shut

-M-

I'm not offended by the remark and I do see the humor in it.

My rant wasn't directed at WaaaghBoss. It was just a rant. Plus I felt the need to explain myself so people didn't think my poor wife is stuck working her butt of while I buy new toys to play with instead of getting a new dryer.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

Well, at the risk of restarting the rant if its just the heating element that's gone bad you could always use it to tumble rings.

No the wiring keeps shorting out. I don't trust myself with electricity so I won't open it up and fix it.

My dad repaired a short in it about 4 times now. Each time it lasted a little while and then shorted out again somewhere new.

If all the wires were replaced it would probably be ok. But it's a rats nest in there. There were already repairs done to the wiring when my dad first opened it up. So who knows if something's connected to the wrong place or not.

Besides I don't really do any maille anymore so I don't really need a ring tumbler.

Plus my dad's already got a perfectly good cement mixer for that.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

Matt, I'd tactfully suggest that the money issue in your house is a bit out of control. If you are the wage earner and she the homemaker, budgets for stuff should be established. If she can't be trusted to keep to a budget, you should open a checking account that only you have access to, and put the budgeted money into the joint account. Reading your previous posts gave me the screaming heebie-jeebies...

hugs and good wishes,
JP

That doesn't work when the grocery budget is spent and then a week later (I get payed every 2 weeks) there's no formula or diapers.

The whole freakin system's out of order. I've just about had it. I managed to get to spend the money because I got my profit sharing cheque from work. Deposited it into my account and spent it the next day.

Part of the problem though is that there usually isn't any money.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

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The whole freakin system's out of order. I've just about had it. I managed to get to spend the money because I got my profit sharing cheque from work. Deposited it into my account and spent it the next day.

Part of the problem though is that there usually isn't any money.

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If she can't be trusted take it away from her. Dole it out in peices. Write checks to her so that she can go buy stuff. She complains you tell her she's earned the lack of trust.

good luck dude.

Sorry to hear that Matt. I better send you some money soon then, Eh? would you prefer I send it to your job ? Matt, you could just buy a wood chipper.. those are great at disposing DEAD WOOD.

Mark: Don't worry about that. It's been odd that lately we've actually had money. Partly though it's just tough supporting a young family of 4 on one income.

This is one of the reasons I asked you about getting exhaust for the charger as part of your payments. Not just because of her but I tend to spend money on things that need to be done instead of fun things.

Energy seems to cost a lot lately and since I bought my first house fairly recently the mortgage is still a big part of my paycheque. About half actually. We use a fair bit of energy since my house is fairly big and not very well insulated.

She's not totally selfish. A lot of the useless junk she spends money on is for the kids. I really don't understand why a girl who's not even 2 yet needs 6 or 7 pairs of shoes though.

Of course it's more then just the money so I probably sound a little bitchier about it then I really am. The compressor sorta puts us even now as far as big ticket stuff goes.

It's probably gonna get better soon anyway since she just got a part time job.

Part of it's due to the fact that life with 2 kids under 2 years old is super stressfull. One after the other meant my wife didn't get any maternity leave money because she hand't been back to work.

Anyway things aren't as bad as they've been in the past. But I am wondering if things will actually ever be good.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

Matt,
Keep your chin up
I hope when my harness is completed we will still keep in touch... I'm sure I will be a patron of yours for quite some time when I can afford it and when you can fit me in. I hope your next project will allow you to continue to grow and develop your skills. We had discussed a Corrizina? or something like that before... I would like to see you do one of those or some kind of similar coat of plates. Those gaunlets your'e going to try and that bascinet should be fun for you too. I know life can be kinda sucky sometimes but if you look forward to what you enjoy doing and you feel rewarded by your accomplishments and can see yourself developing into something bigger and greater than you are now... you always have something that makes everything else worth it. There are some things in life we simply just must endure and have faith that we can handle it or it wouldn't be given to us to deal with. lemme know by e-mail how things are going and keep those pics comming. GET THEM ON YOUR WEB SITE !!!!

/quote Part of it's due to the fact that life with 2 kids under 2 years old is super stressfull. /quote

I hear ya.. Im at the ones 4 and ones 2 stage now. Wife is a Housewife and I am sole income provider, except for the crafts she sells on Ebay. Trust me on this. It gets better thou. Hang in there, and remember your not alone, even thou it feels like it alot of the time.

Air planshers. I have seen a few pics of shop made framed up air hammers over a ball stake.
It seems like a good idea. The really deep throat type must be for breast plates.

Meselfs has been wokling on such a machine.
Planishing hurts my wrist. I have to wear a brace, and it takes a very long time. Still it never has that beautiful hammered shiny sheen. I end up sanding it all away to even it out.

So I am building a shallow throat bench top test machine.
I have not seen a pic of one like this yet.
It will have an air cylinder. Electronic timing and speed control via pneumatic valve. The pluse and duration can be set, as well as the intensity.
It will have interchangeable anvils and strikers. It will have an adjustable angle of attack.

If you have done this a few tips would come in handy.

Good luck on your machine and money Matt.

Matt,

You don't know me very well, nor I you, but I can safely say that you're in good company as far as those who will listen when you're having problems. The Archive has always striven for focus on armour and accuracy, but there's a community value here that I've found nowhere else. I don't care if it's off topic or not. If you feel like you need to talk to someone, it's better to do so and I commend you for your ability to speak your mind and express your emotions.

About the problem: My parents had a similar difficulty and my father is still hiding from her. He takes his money and she takes hers, each from separate jobs due to her recent employment. Things for the house, I assume, are split between them. I can't say I know everything about it because I am removed from the situation. Both my brothers and I have moved away more than a year ago.

What I can tell you is this: Do not let yourself get entangled in a situation where money separates you from the woman you love or the children you've had together. I've read a bit of your posts, and you seem to be an honourable man. I doubt you'd still be with her if you didn't love her. Just give it time, hang in there, and let her know that neither of you must be the "enemy" or in control all the time, but that you are both there to raise a family, and that it takes more than extra shoes to do it.

My own experiences have taught me that the mind is the most powerful tool on the planet, and that when put to good use, two of them can be unstoppable. Obstacles are irrelevant in the long run. You can make it. If you have enough patience to bludgeon a sheet of stainless into priceless art, you can make this work.

Good luck.

Hey Matt, If you feel up to it.. Would you mind posting Pictures of your Machine ?

I've beeen remiss, promised to post more info about my air-planisher, and haven't done it. Partly because I still need to rebuild it [again] so that I can actually change out bits and anvil.

I'll post pics if I ever get around to doing that part

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Gundobad,
Wise Ogre Armory

"Always be seeking deeds of arms - DeCharney"

A position worth taking, is worth defending.