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I'm thinking of starting a project making corinthians. All I can do is cold raising and will probably use 16 gauge galvanized sheetssince it's most acceible. (I'll just get rid of the galvy)

I'm thinking of making it out of one solid piece but I'm thinking twice about it. I've only experience with leather and metal gauntlets so helmets are totaly new and I'm afraid that I'll bite off more than I can chew.

I'm sort of favoring cold raising two halves and just have someone weld it down the middle.

Any suggestions?

I'm kind of dead set on making a corinthian, so any resouces you guys can give? I've seen alot on roman helmets but very little in Greek. Any help ic appreciated.
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Bajaro wrote:I'm thinking of starting a project making corinthians. All I can do is cold raising and will probably use 16 gauge galvanized sheetssince it's most acceible. (I'll just get rid of the galvy)

I'm thinking of making it out of one solid piece but I'm thinking twice about it. I've only experience with leather and metal gauntlets so helmets are totaly new and I'm afraid that I'll bite off more than I can chew.

I'm sort of favoring cold raising two halves and just have someone weld it down the middle.

Any suggestions?

I'm kind of dead set on making a corinthian, so any resouces you guys can give? I've seen alot on roman helmets but very little in Greek. Any help ic appreciated.


Pickle the galvy off first-try vinegar. I can only suggest using more common methods for this-two top halves dished, and a skirt. Then weld it up.
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Bajaro wrote:I'm thinking of starting a project making corinthians. All I can do is cold raising and will probably use 16 gauge galvanized sheetssince it's most acceible. (I'll just get rid of the galvy)

I'm thinking of making it out of one solid piece but I'm thinking twice about it. I've only experience with leather and metal gauntlets so helmets are totaly new and I'm afraid that I'll bite off more than I can chew.

I'm sort of favoring cold raising two halves and just have someone weld it down the middle.

Any suggestions?

I'm kind of dead set on making a corinthian, so any resouces you guys can give? I've seen alot on roman helmets but very little in Greek. Any help ic appreciated.


I have been working on a pattern for one and making one of these for a while now. Two pieces...I can take pics when I find my camera. Raising the top as one piece and welding it to the second plate, which wraps from front to back.
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Raising that deep is going to require hot work: repeated annealings, if you're doing it in one piece, and for that, galvy has to be made ungalvanized or you risk your lungs and affect your nervous system. Even the welded-sections method will require the galvanization to go away, say by stripping with swimming-pool hydrochloric acid (which may be called by its old-timey name, muriatic acid). A welder asked to weld on galvanized steel will at his politest reject your request memorably, and at worst may hit you.

I'd use up the 16 ga galvanized making late-fourteenth covered breastplates or brig lungplates -- any covered application you can think of -- in preference to risking anyone's health doing hot work on this stuff. Too, there's always painting the finished article. Clean zinc galvy makes a pretty good primer, or primer's primer.
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Wulfe wrote:I have been working on a pattern for one and making one of these for a while now. Two pieces...I can take pics when I find my camera. Raising the top as one piece and welding it to the second plate, which wraps from front to back.


Pics would be a lot of help!

I did a couple of dry-runs trying to cold raise metal as deep as I could and the results are... unencouraging. I think I'll try it your way and dish a top then wrap the rest around and weld.

Thanks for the galvy removal tips, I saw something about it in a maille thread and I'm partial to using the muriatic acid (easy to get and rather cheap).
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I did a couple of dry-runs trying to cold raise metal as deep as I could and the results are... unencouraging. I think I'll try it your way and dish a top then wrap the rest around and weld.


You're running into workhardening, and you need to take an annealing heat to get the metal to cooperate again.
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Bajaro wrote:
Wulfe wrote:I have been working on a pattern for one and making one of these for a while now. Two pieces...I can take pics when I find my camera. Raising the top as one piece and welding it to the second plate, which wraps from front to back.


Pics would be a lot of help!

I did a couple of dry-runs trying to cold raise metal as deep as I could and the results are... unencouraging. I think I'll try it your way and dish a top then wrap the rest around and weld.

Thanks for the galvy removal tips, I saw something about it in a maille thread and I'm partial to using the muriatic acid (easy to get and rather cheap).


I found my camera, so I will take pics this weekend while in the shop.

I am about....half way through raising and have made half a dozen passes at it and annealed with each pass. Course, when I am done and it has been hardened and tempered a bullet wont penetrate it !! (14ga 1050 spring) :) :D :D
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