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I was searching for other things this morning and ran across a thread talkling about a 5 leayer thick leather helm that was jokingly mentioned to be bulletproof. I believe Egfroth posted about it. Maybe Vendel era. Now, I have tried searching "leather", "helms", and "leather helms". I get a white screen staring dumbly back at me. Now I am curious about this sort of hat, and if anyone has good leads on people who have made them (the really heavy maybe combat worthy sort) on here, I would appreciate it. And if you know any way to make the search function give me answers on this, please let me know. I get frustrated by the white screen of death.

(EDIT): here's a link to the thread:

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... ht=villani

Thanks,
Christopher

I think that all depends on which combat you are talking about. For SCA purposes the only way a leather helm is viable is to cover a list legal steel helmet with a leather facade. Now for LH or other groups I could not say much about. I am interested in seeing what anyone else has to say on the subject.

Not true.

My knight, Sir Tojeneraum, has a list legal leather helmet that's older than my involvement with the SCA. He wore it in battles this past Pennsic.

While the leather has a metal cage inside it, the cage by itself would be far from legal.

Interesting to know, I would love if you would acquire some pics of it. It sounds fascinating.

Corby de la Flamme wrote:Not true.

My knight, Sir Tojeneraum, has a list legal leather helmet that's older than my involvement with the SCA. He wore it in battles this past Pennsic.

While the leather has a metal cage inside it, the cage by itself would be far from legal.

As I recall, that thing is heavy as all get out too. I have a distant recollection of when he made it. I also seem to recall the cage part being there to satisfy marshalls, not as a necessary part of the helm being safe.

Gavin

Hello.

Think kolbenturier helmets.
Ugly as sin, face grille, constructed of a metal skeleton that is covered in cuir bouilli, painted and gilded.

http://www.landesmuseum-stuttgart.de/cg ... .php?nr=88

The metal underpinnings look something like his.

that is a very interesting helm...and they say bar grills aren't period.

do you suppose it was a helm for training or tourney?

sha-ul wrote:that is a very interesting helm...and they say bar grills aren't period.

do you suppose it was a helm for training or tourney?

I believe those are well documented as being for a particular kind of tourney. And one used to see bar grills in the SCA made *exactly* that way - vertical bars rivited at top and bottom - fairly often.

Gavin

Kilkenny wrote:

sha-ul wrote:that is a very interesting helm...and they say bar grills aren't period.

do you suppose it was a helm for training or tourney?

I believe those are well documented as being for a particular kind of tourney. And one used to see bar grills in the SCA made *exactly* that way - vertical bars rivited at top and bottom - fairly often.

Gavin

Gavin,

I haven't researched this particular kind of helmet, but kolben turier translates as "piston tourney" and it appears to have been a tourney with batons or sticks shaped like swords.

I might be wrong.

f

freiman the minstrel wrote:I haven't researched this particular kind of helmet, but kolben turier translates as "piston tourney" and it appears to have been a tourney with batons or sticks shaped like swords.

I might be wrong.

f

so please tell me how this really differs from sca tourney?

the 2 sound very similar at least in principle

sha-ul wrote:

freiman the minstrel wrote:I haven't researched this particular kind of helmet, but kolben turier translates as "piston tourney" and it appears to have been a tourney with batons or sticks shaped like swords.

I might be wrong.

f

so please tell me how this really differs from sca tourney?

the 2 sound very similar at least in principle

lessee. happened several hundred years ago... all the armour was authentic (not even reproduction - actual authentic)... there was serious prize money...

Honestly, what we do is very much parallel to these kloben tournies..

Gavin

The big difference? They were mounted combat, not foot.

IIRC

the concept of batons or "s.s.o"(sword shaped objects) really does sound very similar to sca... has anyone really researched this format? what about their kits, how much is known?

Kolben also translates as "club" or "rifle butt".

Which goes to show that clearly, they were hitting each other with Springfield 30-06's, M-1's and bolt action Mausers.

Corby de la Flamme wrote:Kolben also translates as "club" or "rifle butt".

Which goes to show that clearly, they were hitting each other with Springfield 30-06's, M-1's and bolt action Mausers.

Suh-weet. I know what my next period weapon is gonna be! Good looking out, Sir Corby

Hey, would I have to authorize in "Battle Rifle?" Or would that be under, say, Combat Archery?

-Ramius/Ben