Looking to build...

Gilebert · Post by **Gilebert** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:23 am

Okay...

I have decided I am going to give a shot at making a set of 14th C arm harnesses. Based loosely on the Chartres arms.

My question is about the articulation... how best to lay it out.

I have heard that it is best if you set it up so that the rivets are in a line when the harness is straight.. not bent.

Does any one have a diagram that would help with this.. as well as an explanation of the concept.

Once I do it, it is not a problem... but that first time, I always ask a lot of questions... and since the closest source for answers is just over an hour away, I need "armouring for dummies" type explanations.

I have built a couple of kit items and have done maintenance on my current harness.

Also, any help on layout for a set of hourglass gauntlets would be handy too.

I do have Talbot's booklets on the above items, but reading those shows that I need smoe more basic instructions.

Thanks

Kenwrec Wulfe · Post by **Kenwrec Wulfe** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:12 am

There is a decent explanation of rivet placement for articulation in TOMAR. It involves the piece both at full open and fiull close.

Signo · Post by **Signo** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:34 am

The best favor you can make yourself is: don't waste time and material cutting your lames before the couter and cannons are made. Then use a pieces of cardboard to design a lame that works, only then you will cut it in metal, and remember, that the lame that work for the lower cannon may not work for the upper one, same for left - right couter, so check and adjust pattern before cutting metal.

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:37 pm

What makes you think the chartes arms have shell articulation, not floating?

Signo · Post by **Signo** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:45 am

He talked about rivet articulation.. so... :roll:

Gilebert · Post by **Gilebert** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:57 am

lorenzo2 wrote:What makes you think the chartes arms have shell articulation, not floating?

Good Point... I am so used to seeing shell articulation.... To the InterTubes!

Also, I was looking at the booklet from Talbot... which has shell articulation.

Man... I would love to go get a first hand look at the effigies in Europe.

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:38 am

Signo, I agree with your methods, I was just wondering if there was something like old rivet holes that I had missed on the Chartes arms.

Old_bear · Post by **Old_bear** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:19 am

Sounds like a good opportunity to get people together to learn about making armour... there always seems to be a lot of questions about these type of techniques. Are there enough budding and experienced armourers in your in your neck of the woods to get together and make a nice long Saturday of it?

I'm game for it. I'm happy to teach, especially if people cover the cost of gas and have some crash space. It's under 5 hours for me to Grand Rapids. Load a bunch of tools in the car and whack metal. Have a fighters practice Sunday morning...

Valerius