15th c Sparrow Beak Sallat Picture?

FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:31 pm

A friend of mine made a 15th c sparrow beak cellate? sallet? salad? Anyway, supposedly its an Italian style. He said the picture he saw was in a book owned by Jeff Hedgecock. I was wondering if any of you know of any on-line pictures of this style of helm.

Its very nice and a difficult piece, and I am trying to encourage him to enter it in the next Adrian Empire arts competition, but he needs some pictures from the period of that style or a picture of an extant one, and doesn't have time to go bother Jeff and Gwen.

He said if I can come up with a picture, he'll enter it... He doesn't have a computer, but I can print them out for him.

Anyone know of some online pictures of this style?

Thanks,
Juliana

Thomas H · Post by **Thomas H** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:05 pm

www.mackenziesmith.com look under our products/plate armour/helmets/sparrows beaked sallet. sorry but that's the only picture i can find. it's a repro but there doen't seem to be many pictures floating around. hope it helps

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FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 12:15 pm

Thanks, that is the type of helm, now I just need to find some documentation!

CLANG · Post by **CLANG** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:32 pm

I've got some good pics of a very similar helmet in "Resplendence of the Spanish Monarchy". If you haven't found any online pics by the time I get home, I'll scan and post them for you. Really cool helmet. The one I'm thinking of has a big acorn at the apex of the skull...

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chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 5:56 pm

Hi Clang,

The one you are thinking about has a big pomegranate (silver gilt) on the top - the symbol of the Kingdom of Granada - it is the sallet of Phillip the Fair, and was made in Flanders c 1500.

I believe there is a 'bellows visored' sallet, more of sparrowbeak form in the Wallace collection.

The form actually would seem to have more to do with being developed from a bascinet visor - numerous examples exist in Flemish art from the 1430's till the 1480's. The Trevanion sallet, once in St. Marks in Cornwall was of this general form. It is unfortunately amongst the missing, having been stolen from the church and likely broken up - it was circa 1480.

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FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:04 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by chef de chambre:
The form actually would seem to have more to do with being developed from a bascinet visor - numerous examples exist in Flemish art from the 1430's till the 1480's. The Trevanion sallet, once in St. Marks in Cornwall was of this general form. It is unfortunately amongst the missing, having been stolen from the church and likely broken up - it was circa 1480.

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Chef, have you seen any of the Flemish art depicting this online?

thanks,
Juliana

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:28 pm

Hi Julianna,

Look for the St. Ursula reliquery. There is one on a background figure in full harness, which has slight fluting on the visor. From 1436, earlier examples can be seen in "le Grande Equestre" of the Toisson d'Or - I don't believe this is online. Cearar Crosses the Rubicon in the Ceasar Tapestries series in Berne has several. A photo of the late lamented Trevanion sallet can be found in "The Medieval Soldier in the Wars of the Roses", Boardman. That is the earliest extant (once, anyhow) example, being somewhere in date between 1475-85, which is why I said circa 1480. There is a disassociated visor in Paris, similar to a bascinet visor that probably went to a sallet.

At some future point, I will be tracing the development in an article, and presenting the evidence for the theory of same. The Philip the Handsome sallet in Grenada is the final flowering of the form, and there is no doubt of it's origin - it's a good one to study, with magnificent photos readily available.

Sorry for sketching out the information, but I don't want to write out the thesis in full here, before it gets published.

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FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:33 pm

Look for the St. Ursula reliquery. There is one on a background figure in full harness, which has slight fluting on the visor.

Are you talking about scene 5 where the guy on the right is piercing the breast of St. Ursula with a sword? If so, it isn't very clear. I couldn't figure out which plate had the picture. Here is a link:

http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/m/memling/4ursula/index.html

I searched for the other art and didn't get any hits.

Thanks for the references though,

Juliana

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:44 pm

Thanks for the link.
I enjoyed the pics.
Did anyone see those cool ornate brass looking spaulders?

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:30 am

Yes, that would be the fellow. I believe it is possible to zoom in on portions of the picture to get a better view in that gallery. I thought one of the fully armed men in scene 6 was also wearing one, but I was mistaken.

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FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 2:02 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by CLANG:
I've got some good pics of a very similar helmet in "Resplendence of the Spanish Monarchy". If you haven't found any online pics by the time I get home, I'll scan and post them for you. Really cool helmet. The one I'm thinking of has a big acorn at the apex of the skull...

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I'd appreciate it. The Ursula reliquary isn't really clear enough.

Thanks,
Juliana

CLANG · Post by **CLANG** » Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:02 pm

Here are scans of the helmet and the page of info on it. They're kinda big, but I didn't want to lose too much detail.

http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/misc/philip1-sallet01.jpg

http://clang.adkinssoftware.com/misc/philip1-sallet02.jpg

Hope this is of some use to you, even though I don't think it's the exact design you're looking for. Cool helmet, though. Looks like the goblin knights' helmets from Labyrinth.

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-Mark
CLANG Armory
http://clang.adkinssoftware.com

FrauHirsch · Post by **FrauHirsch** » Wed Aug 27, 2003 2:26 pm

While looking for something else, I found some great pictures in Medieval Warfare by Koch.

Juliana