1330's Knight Gaston's sugarloaf & harness progress pict

Lorenz De Thornham · Post by **Lorenz De Thornham** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:36 pm

Could well be this one, John Leverick 1350; http://www.themcs.org/churches/Ash%20St%20Nicholas.html

or remotely John de Ifield, died 1317?

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:29 pm

Lorenz,

It does look a lot like that one. However, I believe there are a few with the hanging tassets (not sure that is the right word, scales?) so I was wondering where I could see the whole effigy. Looks like it is time to trip down to the library.

Chris,

Thanks, look forward to seeing the completed suite. I'm sure its going to blow some minds

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:38 am

Yes, you are correct, it is John Leverick . I may be misremembering but In Stothards, I thought they had not positively identified the effigy as Liverickâ€™s. But it is that effigy. (For the cap)

Lorenz De Thornham · Post by **Lorenz De Thornham** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:46 am

For the Helm you have a different source or is it your own interpretation?

Violen · Post by **Violen** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:35 pm

Tar and Feather the showoff!!!!!!

I've always wanted a sugarloaf that purty...*sobs*

RalphS · Post by **RalphS** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:23 pm

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:39 pm

I have been working on this 1340's suit on and off and thought I would post some progress shots.
Last week I finally tried on the cap & helm (up until then I had only fit it on my head cast) Here is what that looks like:
[img]http://www.globaleffects.com/Temp/Sugarloaf3views.jpg[/img]

Here are the legs to go with this suit. The Knee/ poleyns arrangement is taken from the â€œLeverickâ€

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:53 pm

The legs are looking worthy of the hats they go with. Very pretty.

Cet · Post by **Cet** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:32 pm

Excellent work Chris. I look forward to seeing the whole tkit together. How long did you soak the leather before forming?

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:52 pm

I love the interpretation of the fringe. Thanks for sharing. I am wondering how the cuisse, knee and shynbald will attach. Are they seperately attached to the mail, each other or something else?

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:29 pm

Chris,

Stunning work. Really raises the bar!

Drew

Halberds · Post by **Halberds** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:44 pm

I certainly enjoyed the how to pics.

Suite is looking spiff.

Thanks for the update.

Hal

Vladimir · Post by **Vladimir** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:52 pm

I never thought I would say this. But it appears that Gaston has nice legs.

Saburou · Post by **Saburou** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:15 am

Christ on a bicycle.

PRETTY.

Sebastian K · Post by **Sebastian K** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:26 am

Chris, that is simply amazing. Great Job!

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:36 pm

Cet wrote:Excellent work Chris. I look forward to seeing the whole tkit together. How long did you soak the leather before forming?

No soaking just under running water.
The trick is to â€œmassageâ€

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:44 pm

Chris Im afraid to ask....are you planning on fighting in this suit?

Please say no....or if yes, that you have a force field around you.

Token Bastard · Post by **Token Bastard** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:52 pm

Andrew Young wrote:Chris Im afraid to ask....are you planning on fighting in this suit?

Please say no....or if yes, that you have a force field around you.

He won't need a force field. Some poor shmuck from his side (or the other side) is gonna realize how amazing it is, see a shot incoming, shout out "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!" and then dive in front of it to prevent the armour from ever being struck. Hell, only way this man's gonna take a blow on this stuff is if he trips over a sacrificed body and just so happens to fall onto a sword or something.

This stuff rocks, btw.

-Ed

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:11 pm

lorenzo2 wrote:I love the interpretation of the fringe. Thanks for sharing. I am wondering how the cuisse, knee and shynbald will attach. Are they seperately attached to the mail, each other or something else?

I have mentally gone back and forth on this. After studying a number of effigies and an article in â€œArms & Armour Annualâ€

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:15 pm

Andrew Young wrote:Chris Im afraid to ask....are you planning on fighting in this suit?

Please say no....or if yes, that you have a force field around you.

Yes I try to fight in all the armours I have or make (If they are not just film costumes) I don't fight that regularly anymore and but when I do, after nearly 30 years of fighting I don't get hit that often!

Not because I'm so good, but after 30 years I know who Can hit me, and I don't fight them!

Erin · Post by **Erin** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:13 am

and then, an armourer makes his own gear.... WOW
it just pops off the screen

Ceawlin Alreding · Post by **Ceawlin Alreding** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:43 am

You know, from time to time, I find myself wondering why I do this goofy medieval hobby.

I get to see stuff like this.

I can live without the NHL or whatever the hell it is "normal" people do.

Bloody awesome work.

Armand d'Alsace · Post by **Armand d'Alsace** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:45 am

Chris Gilman, I want to be you when I grow up...

Effingham · Post by **Effingham** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:14 pm

My pants just self destructed.

Jeez, Chris.

DAMN.

Mark G. · Post by **Mark G.** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:31 pm

Ambrogio wrote:I do not think this is armour porn, I think it goes beyond armour porn!

Yup, it is:

Armourotica!

Kevin O (wiping drool from chin)

lorenzo2 · Post by **lorenzo2** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:52 pm

Chris,

Thanks for explaning how you are putting the pieces together. Please do post some more progress pics. Getting the bits to work together is really a work of experimental archeology as the effigies just are not clear enough.

Andrew Young · Post by **Andrew Young** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:41 pm

Effingham wrote:My pants just self destructed.

Jeez, Chris.

DAMN.

thats a thought to end my evening

audax · Post by **audax** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:18 pm

The naked dancing girls fanning me are now in overdrive.

Holeee crap!

Apollonian · Post by **Apollonian** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:37 am

Gaston,

I am interested to know how well the electro-plating holds up on the bascinet with the sugar loaf resting on top. Even with a period or modern padding, I would assume that the plating material would be reasonably ablative.

So, after you have done some fighting in it, and a few people who normally can't hit you get their lucky shots in, let us know, please.

Falcone

P.S. Like others, I am in awe of the period work you do, and follow your modern fabrication endeavors with some fascination.

Andeerz · Post by **Andeerz** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:09 pm

..........D: drooooooool... dur hurr, dat's pwiddy.

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:38 pm

Bar raised? Bar gone.
For this era Gilman wins.
I never thought I would see anything like that.

ladyilsebet · Post by **ladyilsebet** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:50 pm

Wow. Gorgeous. Can't wait to see the whole suit - sure hope I'm at Pennsic!!!

Effingham · Post by **Effingham** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:27 pm

Chris, as I look at the leg more, I find myself wondering...

With the cuisse OVER the knee, unless the knee is really tall, won't the knee "eat up" the dangling leather the first time you bend your knee and then straighten it?

Effingham

Pitbull Armory · Post by **Pitbull Armory** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:20 pm

Hi there Chris, I can tell you that Ive never seen a sugarloaf that I liked as much as that one, and the cap is just awesome too. The repousse work is super nice, it makes me want to try to learn how to do it. Thanks for sharing.

Take care

Pitbull

Chris Gilman · Post by **Chris Gilman** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:00 am

Effingham wrote:Chris, as I look at the leg more, I find myself wondering...

With the cuisse OVER the knee, unless the knee is really tall, won't the knee "eat up" the dangling leather the first time you bend your knee and then straighten it?

Effingham

The knee cop is fitted to the leg and the top edge of the cop is sewn to the padded hose, so there isn't an edge or opening for the leather to catch on.
Most of the "floating knees" I see posted are too loose, I believe that they need to be smaller and closer to the leg, if fitted properly, they don't flop around at all, they just stay on the cap of the knee.