Spanish Knight 1400
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I WTB 1400 Spanish
Love the look of Pig face bascinets, cotehardies/houpplandes, and tall boots, but I can't seem to find any good images of this time period.
100 years earlier? No problem finding stuff.
100 years later? Ditto.
Anyone have any ideas for both armor and clothing?
Thanks in advance.
Jovian Skleros
100 years earlier? No problem finding stuff.
100 years later? Ditto.
Anyone have any ideas for both armor and clothing?
Thanks in advance.
Jovian Skleros
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VIVA EL CID! Even though he's dead....Andeerz wrote:My suggestion is taking a looky-loo at the book by Osprey Publishing called
Men-at-arms Series #200
El Cid and the Reconquista: 1050 - 1492
It's pretty much awesome-sauce, though brief. And it has awesome pictures. If you want to read it, feel free to PM me.
Jovian, I have some scans from this book, shoot me an email.
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15th Century Spanish Knight/Squire
I am also interested in this period, mine being 1430-1460s. However, my persona traveled to England, and was orginaly from Navarre.
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Re: Spanish Knight 1400
Would Portuguese knights have been wearing much the same thing? I was reading about the battle in 1385, Aljubarrota, and am having a devilish time finding images/effigies from this time.
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[quote="Barnet"]Anyone have more info on this, pics, sites?
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Haven't got the web addy, but if you ask the nice chaps at Foro Fidelis they may be able to help.
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Haven't got the web addy, but if you ask the nice chaps at Foro Fidelis they may be able to help.
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Re: Spanish Knight 1400
I am trying to reconstruct the son of a Norman knight married into Castillian nobility, circa 1350. I am running into the problem that, while my hard kit is definitely 14th c., I bought my helm while I was trying to do earlier period Norman. Anyway, question is, does anyone know how late nasal style (Norman) helms were worn in Spain?
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Re: Spanish Knight 1400
thunderwinde,
Do you mean Norman, like William of Normandy Norman? If so they really do not exist by the mid 14th. The Normans of mid 14th century were men who lived in Normandy. They had many of their own lands and rights even though they were part of France since the start of the 13th when John lost them to Phil.
Now if you mean of Norman bloodlines I guess it is possible but if you are thinking Norman- Norman, nor man from Normandy you might have an issue getting this to work well.
As far as helmets you see nasals in the 14th but the helmets are not really the same as earlier ones across the board. Any pictures?
RPM
Do you mean Norman, like William of Normandy Norman? If so they really do not exist by the mid 14th. The Normans of mid 14th century were men who lived in Normandy. They had many of their own lands and rights even though they were part of France since the start of the 13th when John lost them to Phil.
Now if you mean of Norman bloodlines I guess it is possible but if you are thinking Norman- Norman, nor man from Normandy you might have an issue getting this to work well.
As far as helmets you see nasals in the 14th but the helmets are not really the same as earlier ones across the board. Any pictures?
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Re: Spanish Knight 1400
I mean Norman as in 'from Normandy', whether descended from Rollo's folk or not.
As far as the helm, it really is meant to be an earlier type, but I was wondering to what extent I could just live with it as a plausibility in period, or whether I should start looking into trading it for a bascinet at some point.
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index ... cts_id=716
Like I said, I bought the helm before everything else and I was thinking 12th century at the time.
As far as the helm, it really is meant to be an earlier type, but I was wondering to what extent I could just live with it as a plausibility in period, or whether I should start looking into trading it for a bascinet at some point.
http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index ... cts_id=716
Like I said, I bought the helm before everything else and I was thinking 12th century at the time.
Re: Spanish Knight 1400
Anyone have any scans of "El Cid and the Reconquista: 1050 - 1492"? I would like to look at late 14th century pictures...thanks!
Re: Spanish Knight 1400
The Hall of Kings painted leather ceiling in the Alhambra has both military and civilian depictions.
http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/culturay ... 200811.pdf
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4914/14609/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4201/13262/
http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/culturay ... 200811.pdf
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4914/14609/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4201/13262/
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Re: Spanish Knight 1400
In the first Manuscript, we can see not only a plethora of bascinets, but one with a very particular face in the top right, middle right and middle left. Note the bulging "noses" that look like sad moomins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin)
These remind me a great deal more of the Grand Bascinet than of the standard bascinet and could well have been part of a "Spanish style" of arming. Or I could just be completely off and these are the pigface bascinets you spoke of (for that is the one form of bascinet I know absolutely nothing about when it comes to shaping etc.) There are several aventails, with only one item of neck protection looking to be an outside plate (to the right, between the blue men).
We also see different sorts of "outer garments" that are either worn outside of armour, or padded enough to be armour in their own right, one in the style of a cotehardie. There are also no plated greaves on the rightmost side (are those spaniards?)
There is also what appears to be an early burgonet-styled hat on the man middle left, which seems odd, could simply be a raised visor.
Now for the second one, we have a king with a very short cotehardie to bear his colours and what should be a padded (although bulging around the arms) garment meant for combat. He could be wearing maille hosen underneath.
What this leads me to believe is that, if you wanted to depict a knight based off of these effigies, you would want:
A bascinet with a bulged, sidemounted visor (or a bargrill to keep the open face look of many warriors). You'd also want a slightly padded aventail (because they likely were) and a gorget to go underneath (for safety).
You'd also want some sort of jupon or other padded garment, it could be a very thinn, two-layer piece of clothing if you want to do it on a budget and for practicality's sake. This garment is meant to hide the armour you wear underneath (such as elbow cops, vambraces, kidney protection and possibly torso and upper arms.), but a more thickly padded one (or a thinnly padded arming garment with basic safety items on it covered by a thinnly padded overgarment) could result in proper protection.
You'd also want "bare" legs, a quilted solution with barrel plastic hid in the thighs and with kneecops either hid or visually displayed would be my course of action to achieve this.
Gauntlets are probably some form of hourglass creation, although it is hard to tell.
The look you'd end up with would be:
Specific bascinet w. aventail.
Jupon, possibly with some sort of tightly fitting waffenrock/tabbard.
As close to hosen as you'd dare go safety wise.
EDIT: Far, far left, almost out of picture on the first manuscript. There is a man wearing a Corrazina.
These remind me a great deal more of the Grand Bascinet than of the standard bascinet and could well have been part of a "Spanish style" of arming. Or I could just be completely off and these are the pigface bascinets you spoke of (for that is the one form of bascinet I know absolutely nothing about when it comes to shaping etc.) There are several aventails, with only one item of neck protection looking to be an outside plate (to the right, between the blue men).
We also see different sorts of "outer garments" that are either worn outside of armour, or padded enough to be armour in their own right, one in the style of a cotehardie. There are also no plated greaves on the rightmost side (are those spaniards?)
There is also what appears to be an early burgonet-styled hat on the man middle left, which seems odd, could simply be a raised visor.
Now for the second one, we have a king with a very short cotehardie to bear his colours and what should be a padded (although bulging around the arms) garment meant for combat. He could be wearing maille hosen underneath.
What this leads me to believe is that, if you wanted to depict a knight based off of these effigies, you would want:
A bascinet with a bulged, sidemounted visor (or a bargrill to keep the open face look of many warriors). You'd also want a slightly padded aventail (because they likely were) and a gorget to go underneath (for safety).
You'd also want some sort of jupon or other padded garment, it could be a very thinn, two-layer piece of clothing if you want to do it on a budget and for practicality's sake. This garment is meant to hide the armour you wear underneath (such as elbow cops, vambraces, kidney protection and possibly torso and upper arms.), but a more thickly padded one (or a thinnly padded arming garment with basic safety items on it covered by a thinnly padded overgarment) could result in proper protection.
You'd also want "bare" legs, a quilted solution with barrel plastic hid in the thighs and with kneecops either hid or visually displayed would be my course of action to achieve this.
Gauntlets are probably some form of hourglass creation, although it is hard to tell.
The look you'd end up with would be:
Specific bascinet w. aventail.
Jupon, possibly with some sort of tightly fitting waffenrock/tabbard.
As close to hosen as you'd dare go safety wise.
EDIT: Far, far left, almost out of picture on the first manuscript. There is a man wearing a Corrazina.