The Armour Archive

. . . but I'm SO proud of my Lady Wife's handiwork that I've just Gotta show it off.

The Lady also made a very good photographic record of the project, which you can see here.

Pennon and Standard


Pennon (3' long, 18" high)

The anchor cross took a long time to get passed. Years ago it was returned because they said it was four charges stacked, too much for a badge. But a couple of years ago I resubmitted it and it passed!

Standard (6' long, 2' high at hoist)

The hoist is the Atlantian Ensign (the uncharged field of the Royal Arms), then the anchor-cross badge, my older mast-head knot badge (first time it's actually been used) and the anchor cross again.
The motto is "Melior Spero Sequoque. (I hope for and follow the best)."

The designs are mine and I built the frame, but my Lady Wife, bless her heart and steady hand, did the tracing, resisting, and painting, assisted by Dusty.

Note the yellow paw.

Great stuff! I've been meaning to do a few banners for myself for years now.

-Derian.

Dang that's pretty!

Of course, the next ones she makes . . . her own . . . will have the advantage of experience (those are the first she's ever made) and be even better! There are a few very small flaws in the paintwork, to discern which requires closer examination than a flag usually gets.

I need a taller staff; the ones I've got 'em on are just long enough. I've got a 9-foot oak stave that used to be a spear shaft (before they were disallowed) but that's just over a foot longer . . . so one of my next projects must be one or two extending flagstaffs.

Yeah, the 10ft rule really does apply to banners.

-Derian.

What banners? There are no banners in this thread.

Yes, I'm being technical. I AM a Herald, after all.

A banner is a rectangular flag bearing a coat of arms entire.

We're going to make those, too. But we haven't yet. The standards are more dramatic.

Flags, then.

-Derian.

Derian le Breton wrote:Flags, then.

Ba-da-BING!

Funny how so many of us (and I've fallen into it too) seem to think some terms which have been in continual use over the centuries are somehow modern and not appropriate for 'period' use, like 'child,' 'children,' 'flag,' and one or two others.

Those look great. I'm impressed.

Donal Mac Ruiseart wrote:What banners? There are no banners in this thread.

Huh. The dictionary must be wrong again.

Those are modern definitions, Karen.

On the other hand, I guess I'm exercising in futility, using the narrow heraldic definitions when the common perception of a "banner" is anything that flutters in the wind.

Donal Mac Ruiseart wrote:Those are modern definitions, Karen.

On the other hand, I guess I'm exercising in futility, using the narrow heraldic definitions when the common perception of a "banner" is anything that flutters in the wind.

These aren't modern definitions, though:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med ... id=MED3577

Donal Mac Ruiseart wrote:Funny how so many of us (and I've fallen into it too) seem to think some terms which have been in continual use over the centuries are somehow modern and not appropriate for 'period' use, like 'child,' 'children,' 'flag,' and one or two others.

And when did the rigid heraldic descriptions come into common use? How did they vary across the centuries and geographic location?



-Derian.

THAT bugaboo surfaces again and again.

My definitions come from heraldry texts that I haven't at hand at present; but as I say, I'm probably exercising in futility, arguing such a fairies-on-the-point-of-a-needle question.