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I am looking for more examples (pictures) of viscountal coronets including on helms.



This is my current one in the bottom left hand corner. It looks the same from the front and seeing myself wearing it in this picture is what brought this to mind. It was made by Ld. Brun Knutson and is nice but I am looking for new ideas. It is brass with 16 garnet "pearls" and a stepped silver base. I have a closine Drachenwald pin but none seem to have been made for Oertha (where I was also prince) so just adding the principality devices will not be easy.

Oh yes, my Lady would also like a nicer coronet than the leather one I made her. She is pretty much set on more abalone "pearls."

Take a look at the coronets shown at the bottom of this page,

http://www.raisedgold.com/look.html

They Are Viscounty coronets, but they are proper medieval ones.

you can see then in use here,

http://thamesreach.org/

They are beautiful pieces of jewelery, And some of the best coronets I've ever seen.

Go High end, it's worth it.

Thank you.

Not many folks wear the collars of estate in the SCA.

Apparently wearing coronet has fallen out of fashion other places besides Oertha.



Does anyone have any SCA or period examples of viscountal coronets on helms? Even attached to a tors & mantel?

[quote="Karl Helweg] Not many folks wear the collars of estate in the SCA.[/quote]

I have always wondered what constitutes being allowed to wear a collar of estate.
I mean I am a Lord, is that enough, or should it be higher?

I would love to get one and wear it, but I don't want to step on toes.
Now I know the East does not have any Sumptuary Laws against it... but, you still never know (or at least I don't) what is silently frowned uppon as being above ones station.

MJBlazek wrote:[quote="Karl Helweg] Not many folks wear the collars of estate in the SCA.[/quote]

I have always wondered what constitutes being allowed to wear a collar of estate.
I mean I am a Lord, is that enough, or should it be higher?

I would love to get one and wear it, but I don't want to step on toes.
Now I know the East does not have any Sumptuary Laws against it... but, you still never know (or at least I don't) what is silently frowned upon as being above ones station.[/quote]

It appears that Sumptuary Laws in the SCA are also slipping out of favor or at least not as published as they once were. http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/sumptuary.htm

Meridies used to have a VERY thorough collection of Sumptuary Laws(?) One of these specified that gentles holding a grant-of-arms or higher were entitled to wear a collar-of-estate of "sealed Ms" with a Meridiean badge hanging from the front. I saw a few Atlantians wearing collars of sealed As but I am not sure who made those.

My Lady had a grant-of-arms and we moved to Meridies. Sir Shaltar(?) made a bunch of nice pewter painted badges so I was motivated to carve a mold for sealed Ms and made her a collar. She was a bit disappointed when we moved to the West and there are officially no sumptuary laws (but try wearing the wrong thing ) and she figured that she could not wear her collar. The I noticed that a sealed M upside down is a sealed W and all is good with the world.

I think that I left my soapstone mold for Sir Stuart's squire since he lives in Meridies and had recently received a GoA.

If the East has no sumptuary laws to the contrary (that someone can show you in current printing) then nothing should be stopping you from wearing one. Peers were instructed to go forth and customize a collar-of-estate to show their unique history which sounds like fair advice in general. Someday I might listen to it.

You might want to consult with a good herald but I have seen groups, households, guilds, and individuals register "jewelry" as badges. Individuals were allowed five heraldric actions. There is a chance that a form of collar could be registered(?)

Being German it seems wrong to try and recreate the middle ages without sumptuary laws. Apparently HRE collar-of-estates were weighed to the exact gram of silver.

Any way, please feel free to post any viscountal coronet pictures that you have. If nothing else I would like to see "what the Jones are wearing."

Vis. Axel

Drachenwald Viscountal Mafia

I think there is a flickr set out there with a ton of pics of crowns and cornets.

Shameless plug for my knight....
Drachenstein Treasures

Tom

Enrico di Venezia wrote:Shameless plug for my knight....
Drachenstein Treasures

Tom

Thanks.

bigjon - did you mean this site that shows all of the landed crowns and coronets? http://www.goldenstag.net/MiscSCA/CrownsAndCoronets.htm

bigjon wrote:http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeff-godfrey/sets/72157602208932194/with/2838420712/

Interesting site (when I could finally open it). Baronial coronets are also good to look at sine the local group might get around to going barony again someday.

[img]http://www.avacal-sca.org/images/TEAidenandIssabella.jpg[/img] Avacal

Karl Helweg wrote:Not many folks wear the collars of estate in the SCA.

A huge percentage of the population wears them down here in Caid.

-Derian.

MJBlazek wrote:I would love to get one and wear it, but I don't want to step on toes.
Now I know the East does not have any Sumptuary Laws against it... but, you still never know (or at least I don't) what is silently frowned uppon as being above ones station.

Go for it. Just avoid the symbols of various orders you are not a member of and you'll be fine.

-Derian.

Mistress Morgan does some nice work: http://www.medievaljeweler.com/coronet.html

Those are fairly unique viscountal coronets. Both seem to be "folding" designs.

Derian - do you happen to have pictures of the Caid collars?

Karl Helweg wrote:Those are fairly unique viscountal coronets. Both seem to be "folding" designs.

Hinged coronets are quite common among historic examples. They're also extremely convenient for us modern folks who need to fit all our stuff in the back of a car.

My lady wants a hinged coronet in my copious free time. Pretty much every non-local even requires us to fly. I made her a pretty nice leather coronet inset with her favorite abalone and abalone "pearls" but the leather is a little understated and dull compared to metal.

Counts have it easy.



US Army Engineer insignias. They even come in "staybright." One of the cleverest and simplest stealth coronets I have seen was just a thin leather band with several of these pinned in. He kept it in a little belt pouch for court or just in case a knight (unknighted count) tried to pull rank. I cannot seem to recall his name (Mid Relm?) but he also wore one with his tors&mantel when he fought since the brass castles were easy to replace if they were hit hard.

I always figured that these Engineer castles could be added to an existing viscountal or baronial coronet if someone "accidentally" won a Crown. They could possibly even be worked into a collar-of-estate. Even though I was Aviation I have to admire the Engineer insignia.