WOW! Awesome Reproduction gun kits!

[Nick D]

I have the Traditions Kentucky hanging on my wall that I built. It's my first front-stuffer (I also have a pistol I haven't built yet.) I like the Kentucky a lot. Jut my $0.02.

[Rittmeister Frye]

To be honest, the Marlins are just as correct as the Winchesters.. they both were/are production guns, then and now.

But the reason for the .357 over .44 spl is I can hit a shoot a weekend, in some cases _two_ shoots a weekend where I live, and do well over 1000 rds. a month in competition shooting.

And I can get about 2.5 boxes of .357 (or .38 cowboy) for what it will cost to get one box of .44 spl reloads.

Although, that Cimmaron is a NICE FREAKIN GUN! I love it. Dark wood grips, a nice four clicks, and smooth as silk.

Maeryk

Oh, no questions that the Marlins are period proper (well, as period proper as a gun from the 1890's is going to be, but there are plenty of 1892/94 Winchesters out there too being used) and they're a good solid gun, too. And using .38 Long Colts is a good option as well (okay, .38 Spl, but I turn pale with the thought of using .357's for doing CAS! Yeah, I'm a perfectionist, sorry...) I certainly DO see your point on the cost level too. Believe me, I do! I guess I'm turning into a grumpy old man here, but do give proper consideration to the larger calibers though. Reloading using an entry-level set of equipment (you'd only be reloading one caliber, after all) will after the initial investment dramatically reduce your costs, though not your time investment of course. BUT! What ever you do, DO have fun with it! I'd rather see someone out there with a Marlin and a brace of Ruger Vaquero's in .357 having a good time that some bitter old guy hiding behind his computer complaining about how they just don't do it right anymore these days... But keep the Cimarron if you can. They're a fine arm, and you'll not regret keeping it for the long term.

David, those 1717 French Muskets are pretty cool, and frankly, for doing F&I Wars, or even American War of Independence after 1777 those are probably the best models out there to use. I think it's GREAT that folks are making and selling those now! But I need that doglock blunderbuss, I think.

Eventually we should get back to the Topic at Hand, I suppose...

Allons!

Gordon

[Gerhard von Liebau]

WELL! My dad called me up after school today and said "Ya' know, there are a few of those originals that I wouldn't mind shooting." So, we went home and pulled out some 19th century percussion rifles and then headed to Fresno and the Herb Bauer's Sporting Goods store and picked up some bullets, new wadding and percussion caps for the lot!

So, I have my own reproduction Philadelphia Derringer, a .36 caliber wallhanger hunting rifle from around 1860-70 to play with, and my dad also pulled out two .50 caliber rifles. One is shown with a site on it as the lower of the two in this image, and the other was outside with my dad, as he was toyin' with it.

All three of the rifles have set-triggers on them, and are in good working order. We're goin' shooting tomorrow!

-Gerhard-

[img]http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/files/picture_001_697.jpg[/img]

[Rittmeister Frye]

Good for you, Gerhard! I think you ought to have a grand time with those tomorrow. Shooting originals is always more fulfilling, LOL!

Oh, BTW, I totally forgot to mention this fellow, Armin König in Germany, who is making wonderful reproductions of wheellocks and matchlocks.

http://www.engerisser.de/Bewaffnung/wea ... earms.html

He makes some VERY nice pieces.

Have fun tomorrow!

Allons!

Gordon

[Gerhard von Liebau]

Well, the .49 caliber ammo is tight in the target rifle's barrel (pictured at the bottom of the previous post). The other .50 caliber will take it, though. We also pulled out a Pennsylvanian Kentucky-style rifle that the .35 ammo is a bit tight in, and it's also tight in the wallhanger. The .50 is tight in the derringer, too!

So, that's only ONE gun that either size fits into properly! My dad thinks cleaning the barrels of the others will help, since the difference is only minor in each case, and he knows he'd like a good squeeze to maximize the rifling of the barrels. We'll see how it turns out...

Anyway, thanks for he link to Armin's site! Looks good!

-Gerhard-

[Clinker]

Well. the odd calibers are a problem with the old blackpowder guns. And that is assuming that the bore wasn't "freshed out" to an odd caliber after being shot and cleaned enough to smooth out the rifling. The easy solution for store-bought balls is to use an under-sized ball and a thick or THICK patch, and see if it will shoot accurately. The next solution is to measure the bore and order a cheap mold from Dixie Gun Works. You should get one of their catalogs anyway, new or old, just for the goldmine of information they carry.
Have fun, and try not to get bit too hard with the bug.

[Jehan de Pelham]

Gregory, you lucky fellah. Green with envy. Your old man being into what you're doing is awesome. I'm jealous of your excellent start, and wish I had it all to do over again. "Getting towards old bull" to "young bull stuff," if you get my meaning.

You strike me as the sort of fellow who has multiple interests--bronze age, 16th century, black powder--you should find excellent fun in
everything.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

[Gerhard von Liebau]

Indeed, Jehan! I do find myself attracted to most anything dealing with weapons and warfare. Even if I don't stick with something, I feel that at this time of my life I should try to experience as much as I can in order to get a better understanding of the physical activities that soldiers underwent through history.

Eventually, I'll have tried my hand at so much stuff that I'll know what I like the best and the least, and choose what to focus on for the rest of my time!

-Gerhard-

[Gerhard von Liebau]

The first day of shooting was great! We took three rifles and all of the necessary equipment with us to our family renunion at our aunt's down the road. The .50 caliber (best of the percussion pieces) that my dad fixed the set-trigger and hammer/nipple setup this morning, and the two .35/.34 caliber pieces went. Between myself, my dad, my uncle and three cousins and a friend of theirs who came along about 18 shots were taken, if I'm thinking straight.

We jammed the Pennsylvania "Kentucky" rifle with the first .35 caliber bullet, so no shooting that... We'll need .33, probably. The wallhanger .35 shot about four times and then got jammed on a bad wad/bullet set. The .50 (shooting .49s we got yesterday) shot over a dozen times.

We first all took a turn shooting at an old chair (I couldn't describe the junk at my great aunt's, but it's amazing) and a couple of the women shot, too. Then my dad, his cousin Allen and I took shots at pigeon's in the barn. I shot and killed two out of the two shots I took, and Allen got two with the three shots he took. My dad took one off of a line about 50 yards away and sliced through it's neck. Our cousins Audi and Smitty missed their single shots at pigeons.

The accuracy of the .49, which is what we used most, was great. I took one shot with the wallhanger at the chair (which hit well at about 30 yards) and two at pigeons. So, all three of my shots were great!

The .50 also completely blew apart the pigeons, if hit correctly. Both of Allen's birds looked like they'd been disected, which only one bullet had gone through each!

Anyway, there're the fun facts, and I must say it was quite an experience! Cleaning all of these pieces and removing those bullets will be a bit more interesting...

-Gerhard-

[Jehan de Pelham]

Not the average California family outing, I take it?

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

[mordreth]

you might want to order the gunsmith of grenville county
the gent seriously knows his stuff, while it is later than you are looking
the techniqes he details will come into play
http://www.muzzleloadermag.com/bookcatalog.html

[Karl Helweg]

http://www.musketmart.com/index.html

I have one of his matchlocks.

[Maeryk]

Okay.. they are ALL gorgeous pieces. You say you are thinking of hunting with them though?

Here's the wheellock hunting "spzzzzzzzzzzzz...." crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzz" crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG " miss.

Here's the matchlocks hunting. "blow, blow.. DEER!.. squeak.. DAMMIT.. adjust.. blow.. squeak.. DAMN! adjust adjust squeak BANG" miss.




Not trying to dissuade you.. but neither are particularly _good_ choices for hunting. By all means have fun with it.. but with a match lock you have to continually attend to the match, and keep adjusting it forward.

[Maeryk]

The handegonnes are cool. I would love to see a handgonner portrayal.

http://www.handgonnes.com/

http://www.albionsmallarms.co.uk/home.htm

Albion used to have a very attractive 14th century handgonne. They don't have the photo up and they are backlogged big time, I guess.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

I have one.. light breastplate and sallet, a Burgundian John Buck, match, and apostles on a bandoleer with a very small possibles bag at the bottom.

Hard to sneak in that rig tho.. the rhythmic clanking of the aposltes tends to give one away.

It's one of my favorite Pennsic outfits.. people always stop to talk to you in it. Specially when the underlying outfit is super-foofy German.

[Angusm0628]

excellent pieces for the money.

Jehan if you want a handgonne barrel PM me and I will hook you up with one of the best barrel makers in the US. He is slow, but he is damn worth the wait.

Geotz barrel works in Beaver Springs??

[Rittmeister Frye]

Okay.. they are ALL gorgeous pieces. You say you are thinking of hunting with them though?

Here's the wheellock hunting "spzzzzzzzzzzzz...." crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzz" crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG " miss.

Here's the matchlocks hunting. "blow, blow.. DEER!.. squeak.. DAMMIT.. adjust.. blow.. squeak.. DAMN! adjust adjust squeak BANG" miss.




Not trying to dissuade you.. but neither are particularly _good_ choices for hunting. By all means have fun with it.. but with a match lock you have to continually attend to the match, and keep adjusting it forward.

WHAT???? HA! My matchlocks are pretty darned reliable (it's all in the quality of the match you use) and my wheellock pistol (at least) is ULTRA reliable. Even more reliable than my flinters, which are pretty darned reliable. I have to admit though that my wheellock carbine (which would otherwise make a dandy hunting rifle, as it has a rifled .50" bore) does exactly as you say, other than it being "SNAP!" "DAMN!" rather than "WHIZZZ!" "DAMN!" Of course it was one of Mr. Shinn's first attempts at a wheellock, his later ones are MUCH better. (The carbine was made in 1976, the pistol in 1982, and much improved.) When made to be EXACTLY like the originals, they work quite well. It's the modern "improved" models that suck big time. (Of course they don't work for very long, the biggest drawback of a wheellock is that they gum up pretty darned fast, and after 10-12 shots are starting to have "issues".)

And well, yes, you do have to adjust the match pretty often with a matchlock, if you keep it "cocked". But I do know several fellows who have "gotten their deer" (and sometimes moose) with their matchlock, so it's definitely something that can be done. You just have to get to Carnegie Hall via the hard way: practice.

Wheellocks and Matchlocks unreliable? HA! (Mutter mutter mutter... disrespecting my babies, mutter mutter mutter...)



Cheers!

Gordon

[Roibeard MacNeill]

Okay.. they are ALL gorgeous pieces. You say you are thinking of hunting with them though?

Here's the wheellock hunting "spzzzzzzzzzzzz...." crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzz" crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG " miss.

Here's the matchlocks hunting. "blow, blow.. DEER!.. squeak.. DAMMIT.. adjust.. blow.. squeak.. DAMN! adjust adjust squeak BANG" miss.




Not trying to dissuade you.. but neither are particularly _good_ choices for hunting. By all means have fun with it.. but with a match lock you have to continually attend to the match, and keep adjusting it forward.

Maeryk, bro...I have to agree with Gordon. My Wheellock pistol and Brown Bess are very reliable and accurate.

If you are having that much of an issue with your muzzleloaders, perhaps there is something wrong with them.

[Karl Helweg]

Okay.. they are ALL gorgeous pieces. You say you are thinking of hunting with them though?

Here's the wheellock hunting "spzzzzzzzzzzzz...." crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzz" crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG " miss.

Here's the matchlocks hunting. "blow, blow.. DEER!.. squeak.. DAMMIT.. adjust.. blow.. squeak.. DAMN! adjust adjust squeak BANG" miss.




Not trying to dissuade you.. but neither are particularly _good_ choices for hunting. By all means have fun with it.. but with a match lock you have to continually attend to the match, and keep adjusting it forward.

http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/for ... y.php?f=38

Spring Black Bear season is coming up. Makes pretty good and very interesting summer sausage.

[Karl Helweg]

The handegonnes are cool. I would love to see a handgonner portrayal.

http://www.handgonnes.com/

http://www.albionsmallarms.co.uk/home.htm

Albion used to have a very attractive 14th century handgonne. They don't have the photo up and they are backlogged big time, I guess.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

I have one.. light breastplate and sallet, a Burgundian John Buck, match, and apostles on a bandoleer with a very small possibles bag at the bottom.

Hard to sneak in that rig tho.. the rhythmic clanking of the aposltes tends to give one away.

It's one of my favorite Pennsic outfits.. people always stop to talk to you in it. Specially when the underlying outfit is super-foofy German.

I have apostles too but they don't quite seem to go with this kit....

[Maeryk]

Okay.. they are ALL gorgeous pieces. You say you are thinking of hunting with them though?

Here's the wheellock hunting "spzzzzzzzzzzzz...." crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzz" crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG " miss.

Here's the matchlocks hunting. "blow, blow.. DEER!.. squeak.. DAMMIT.. adjust.. blow.. squeak.. DAMN! adjust adjust squeak BANG" miss.




Not trying to dissuade you.. but neither are particularly _good_ choices for hunting. By all means have fun with it.. but with a match lock you have to continually attend to the match, and keep adjusting it forward.

WHAT???? HA! My matchlocks are pretty darned reliable (it's all in the quality of the match you use) and my wheellock pistol (at least) is ULTRA reliable. Even more reliable than my flinters, which are pretty darned reliable. I have to admit though that my wheellock carbine (which would otherwise make a dandy hunting rifle, as it has a rifled .50" bore) does exactly as you say, other than it being "SNAP!" "DAMN!" rather than "WHIZZZ!" "DAMN!" Of course it was one of Mr. Shinn's first attempts at a wheellock, his later ones are MUCH better. (The carbine was made in 1976, the pistol in 1982, and much improved.) When made to be EXACTLY like the originals, they work quite well. It's the modern "improved" models that suck big time. (Of course they don't work for very long, the biggest drawback of a wheellock is that they gum up pretty darned fast, and after 10-12 shots are starting to have "issues".)

And well, yes, you do have to adjust the match pretty often with a matchlock, if you keep it "cocked". But I do know several fellows who have "gotten their deer" (and sometimes moose) with their matchlock, so it's definitely something that can be done. You just have to get to Carnegie Hall via the hard way: practice.

Wheellocks and Matchlocks unreliable? HA! (Mutter mutter mutter... disrespecting my babies, mutter mutter mutter...)



Cheers!

Gordon

Nowhere did I say they were unreliable. I said that it's a real challenge to hunt with em.

Personally, I'd put money into the lock I wanted for target and carry, and then spend 200 on an inline black powder if I _really_ wanted to hunt with BP.

I've fired a LOT of rounds through my matchlock and flinter. And yes, with a LOT of practice you can get there. but in practice, my Buck (which, granted, isn't the snazziest piece on the planet) is much easier just to touch off with a hand held match than the serpentine.

[Jeff J]

Whoa - Karl turned on the Wayback Machine!

I've been contemplating another BP gun. Actually wanting to kit-build one. In my copious spare time...

[Roibeard MacNeill]

Okay.. they are ALL gorgeous pieces. You say you are thinking of hunting with them though?

Here's the wheellock hunting "spzzzzzzzzzzzz...." crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzz" crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG " miss.

Here's the matchlocks hunting. "blow, blow.. DEER!.. squeak.. DAMMIT.. adjust.. blow.. squeak.. DAMN! adjust adjust squeak BANG" miss.






Nowhere did I say they were unreliable. I said that it's a real challenge to hunt with em.

Personally, I'd put money into the lock I wanted for target and carry, and then spend 200 on an inline black powder if I _really_ wanted to hunt with BP.

I've fired a LOT of rounds through my matchlock and flinter. And yes, with a LOT of practice you can get there. but in practice, my Buck (which, granted, isn't the snazziest piece on the planet) is much easier just to touch off with a hand held match than the serpentine.

You definitely did not use the word unreliable, but it was very much implied by the wording used...

...No matter anyhow, I can see what you were getting at now. I've shot a few muzzleloaders/BP that were bitchy at best, downright dangerous at worst. For the most part, however, a good replica will give you excellent results so long as the mechanism is tested beforehand and taken care off afterwards. My Albion Arms Wheellock and Flintlock are top-notch...I've never had a problem with them. I fear, though, the eventuality of that spring on the wheellock going *POING* and stop working altogether...

[Karl Helweg]

Okay.. they are ALL gorgeous pieces. You say you are thinking of hunting with them though?

Here's the wheellock hunting "spzzzzzzzzzzzz...." crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzz" crank crank crank "spzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BANG " miss.

Here's the matchlocks hunting. "blow, blow.. DEER!.. squeak.. DAMMIT.. adjust.. blow.. squeak.. DAMN! adjust adjust squeak BANG" miss.




Not trying to dissuade you.. but neither are particularly _good_ choices for hunting. By all means have fun with it.. but with a match lock you have to continually attend to the match, and keep adjusting it forward.

WHAT???? HA! My matchlocks are pretty darned reliable (it's all in the quality of the match you use) and my wheellock pistol (at least) is ULTRA reliable. Even more reliable than my flinters, which are pretty darned reliable. I have to admit though that my wheellock carbine (which would otherwise make a dandy hunting rifle, as it has a rifled .50" bore) does exactly as you say, other than it being "SNAP!" "DAMN!" rather than "WHIZZZ!" "DAMN!" Of course it was one of Mr. Shinn's first attempts at a wheellock, his later ones are MUCH better. (The carbine was made in 1976, the pistol in 1982, and much improved.) When made to be EXACTLY like the originals, they work quite well. It's the modern "improved" models that suck big time. (Of course they don't work for very long, the biggest drawback of a wheellock is that they gum up pretty darned fast, and after 10-12 shots are starting to have "issues".)

And well, yes, you do have to adjust the match pretty often with a matchlock, if you keep it "cocked". But I do know several fellows who have "gotten their deer" (and sometimes moose) with their matchlock, so it's definitely something that can be done. You just have to get to Carnegie Hall via the hard way: practice.

Wheellocks and Matchlocks unreliable? HA! (Mutter mutter mutter... disrespecting my babies, mutter mutter mutter...)



Cheers!

Gordon

Nowhere did I say they were unreliable. I said that it's a real challenge to hunt with em.

Personally, I'd put money into the lock I wanted for target and carry, and then spend 200 on an inline black powder if I _really_ wanted to hunt with BP.

I've fired a LOT of rounds through my matchlock and flinter. And yes, with a LOT of practice you can get there. but in practice, my Buck (which, granted, isn't the snazziest piece on the planet) is much easier just to touch off with a hand held match than the serpentine.

http://www.mccannindustries.com/rifles/ ... 458lt4.jpg

http://wassonhuntingservices.com/phpBB/ ... gun5_1.jpg

Everyone has to draw their own line on what makes hunting a sport, hobby, business, harvest, or adventure. Wouldn't you like the bragging rights that you actually hunted in 16th or 18thy century gear? Sometimes just being able to play the game at all is more impressive than bringing back a trophy.

On the other hand, one of our wildlife troopers described a "bear baiting tree stand" (allowed in some areas) that was a two story building with heat, couch, generator, and a refrigerator full of beer all 100+ miles form the nearest town that sold a 2x4. Just not my idea of hunting but the sausage probably tastes as good afterwards.

BTW the only reason that I can even remotely entertain the idea of a bear hunt is because my worriing wife wants a rug.

Eskalya/Anchorage is hosting Purgatory-Coroent next August. There is a remote chance that an oppornity to black bear hunt in an area open for "predator control" might come up too. I emphasise remote chance since I live 600 miles away but it did happen last year. Might not be too cheap even then but is anyone even remotely teased by this possibility enough for me to try and pursue it?

[Maeryk]

Heh.. you trusting a mini ball or the like to drop a freakin Kodiak, when you have _NO SECOND SHOT?_

[Karl Helweg]

http://www.davidsongalleries.com/artist ... _26189.jpg

Think of it as a potential A&S project!

[Karl Helweg]

Heh.. you trusting a mini ball or the like to drop a freakin Kodiak, when you have _NO SECOND SHOT?_

Kodiak? I did NOT say that I trusted my little .45 on a Kodiak/Grizzly/Brown. A tree stand and a sneaky black bear just maybe. We are allowed upto four of these little Sitka Blacktails at a time though and they barely dress out at 120# tops so well with .45 range.

I am the "bear guard" for our cadets. I carry at least my .444 Marlin and then only because they do not make a .555 Marlin. Brown Bears are just plain monsters.

http://www.donovansguideservice.com/ima ... w_home.jpg

After all that I did in the Army I have never wanted a gun so badly as when I have run into bears and then there is absolutley no gun that could feel big enough.

[Maeryk]

Heh.. you trusting a mini ball or the like to drop a freakin Kodiak, when you have _NO SECOND SHOT?_

Kodiak? I did NOT say that I trusted my little .45 on a Kodiak/Grizzly/Brown. A tree stand and a sneaky black bear just maybe. We are allowed upto four of these little Sitka Blacktails at a time though and they barely dress out at 120# tops so well with .45 range.

I am the "bear guard" for our cadets. I carry at least my .444 Marlin and then only because they do not make a .555 Marlin. Brown Bears are just plain monsters.

We have bears as well. THought not as many. I don't think I'd tackle _anything_ with "bear" (other than "teddy") with a single shot weapon.

[Karl Helweg]

http://www.3riversarchery.com/images/Tr ... wnBear.jpg

People do some crazy hunting...

[Rittmeister Frye]

Interestingly enough I have run into several folks who carry traditional caplocks for hunting, and have gone out with friends who have in-lines. The guys with in-lines make fun of the "old-fashioned" traditional caplocks, until they discover (in this rather rainy climate) that them "old-fashioned" guns are designed to shed water, while them new-fangled pieces seem designed specifically to attract water, and hold on to it for later. In Washington the game laws specify an open-to-the-weather ignition system and no 209 shotgun primers, and thus many of the legal pieces have a channel for the bolt to run down in order to hit the cap. Wonderful place to hold water! Thus, according to my sources, they've spent the day in the rain with their buddies chiding them the whole time, and when the get back to camp (the deer being too smart to hang out in the open in the rain), everyone fires off. Or tries to. The traditional caplocks go off without a hitch, while the in-lines invariably have at minimum a hang-fire, but more than likely a misfire. At that point, bottom rail on top, and he who laughs last, laughs best!

BTW, if I were to go playing in bear country with a muzzle-loader, I'd carry my "lion gun". Nice South African double caplock side-by-side, right side is .62" rifled, the other 20-ga. smooth. Point of aim is 100 yards for the rifle with a .600" round ball, same point of aim is 50 yards for the smooth with a round ball. I say pretty cool on that one, just right for charging carnivores. The other option would be a Kodiak .58 SXS, loaded with minnies. Big medicine for Bears! (I'd still prefer a .45-70 lever gun or a 12 bore pump with 3" mag slugs, though, thank you very much!)

Cheers!

Gordon

[Karl Helweg]

So Gordon, does that mean that you are bringing it up on or about Purgatory/Coronet 15-17 August? There are some horseback guides and "transporters" here.

[Rittmeister Frye]

Karl;

I'd love to! Alas that is the middle weekend of our Renaissance Faire, and since I have to do at least two (if not four) of the equestrian shows each day there, small chance of my being able to attend! But the "i's" aren't dotted and the "t's" aren't yet crossed on the deal, so who knows what will transpire.

One of these days I'll have sufficient troopers with pistols that we can do a decent mounted pistol charge (a caracole of course, to continue charging into the Infantry with drawn swords would probably be rather awkward to explain to the insurance companies), but that day is a ways off yet, I fear. Alas!

Cheers!

Gordon

[Thomas Powers]

Gustavus Adolphus would prefer you skip the pistol dischage and just charge home with sabre!

Thomas

[Rod Walker]

, but if you can in any way afford it, go with a nice Uberti Winchester clone. Henry, '66 or '73, it matters not, they are all fine weapons in normal calibres (even if the originals weren't strictly chambered for same).

Well, if you are talking lever action than these have huge style points I just bought one.
[img]http://home.winsoft.net.au/gazza/images/R_SPENCER_1.JPG[/img]

And my 17thC flintlock carbine.



Now this beast is the Cats Pyjamas.

[Rittmeister Frye]

Gustavus Adolphus would prefer you skip the pistol dischage and just charge home with sabre!

Thomas

So would my Hero, Henri of Navarre (who taught Gustav's older brother the Art of War), but my insurance agent would have an apoplectic fit, I'm afraid. So would probably a lot of other folks, so best to not do such a thing, even if fun to contemplate!

Rod, Damn You! I've been dreaming of those Spencers for some time now, almost bought one even! Oy, you're a very, very bad man! Bully for you, my friend! (I finally settled on a Colt 1855 Root Rifle though... six-shot percussion rifle that I can use from the late-50's on. Too much to spend on such a toy right now though!)

Good 17th Century Harquebusiers kit too, (of course!) We need to work up a good "combat course" for 16th/17th Century Cavalry that can use Lances, Swords, Pistols and/or Carbines!

Cheers!

Gordon

[Rod Walker]

Rod, Damn You! I've been dreaming of those Spencers for some time now, almost bought one even! Oy, you're a very, very bad man! Bully for you, my friend! (I finally settled on a Colt 1855 Root Rifle though... six-shot percussion rifle that I can use from the late-50's on. Too much to spend on such a toy right now though!)

No Sir, Damn You! I desperatly wanted the Remington Revolving Carbine but can you believe they are a Prohibited Weapon in my home state!!!!! They are so elegant and sexy looking.

I can go and buy what is effectively a .50cal sniper rifle at my local gunshop but an 1860's revolving percussion cap carbine I cannot have.

My God but there are some wankers in charge.