Double Wrap Sword Belt??

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:26 pm

Does the double wrap belt have any historical value?

http://www.weaponsemporium.com/WE-Belt% ... %20brs.jpg

If not, and I am fully expecting it to be not, what would be a proper way to hang a sword in the 15th century?

Thankyou
Matt

Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:48 pm

nope never seen that thing in 15thc

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:26 pm

Wolf,

Thank you for proving my assumption true, do you have any documents or pictures telling what they did use?

Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:05 pm

as far as i've seen they are simple belts. do a search on myarmoury.com for sword belts and you'll see what i mean. some are waist belts that the sword belts tie onto, while there are others that loop around the waist, tie around the scabbard and then back to teh buckle. but not anything like that double waist belt

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:01 am

Thanks again! I'll do that.

I'm thinking about ordering a belt from Christian Fletcher. His stuff looks nice. Does anybody suggest buying from him or someone else?

Thanks again all!

Matt

T. Finkas · Post by **T. Finkas** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:29 am

Not to throw a wrench in the gears but I do believe I've seen that belt, or something like it, depicted in 15th century art. I did an exhaustive search years ago when planning my WOR gear and seem to remember seeing a rig "
like" that in the iconography. Sorry but I cannot say where.

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:35 am

Tim

Quite often a belt has a long end that also buckles into the straping of the scabbard looking like a double wrap but it is not really a double wrap. Could that be what you are thinking of?

Like so:

Matt

Check out this link:

http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=6361

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:43 am

James! You rock! Thanks! Thats exactly what I was looking for!

Matt

PS. Where did you find that pic? Did you make that belt?

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:10 am

It is on anothe myarmoury thread linked in the one I linked above, I think that is Rob Walker's scabbard he made himself but I could be wrong. My 15th century scabbard is similar but without the extra hood up to the belt in the front.

Here are the best images I could dig up of my scabbard

http://www.replications.com/greys/Image ... CT0061.jpg

http://www.replications.com/greys/Image ... CT0097.jpg

Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:47 pm

ya thats it, i didnt have time to do teh search.

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:13 pm

James,
Thanks again for that link. I am hunting down supplies to try and have a go at making my own.

One question...

My colors are white and gold. I'm not doing SCA stuff, but on the off chance that I do go to an event wearing a gold colored belt, am I going to have a bunch of people giving me a hard time?

Thanks again.
Matt

Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:19 am

i think u'd have more trouble wearing a white belt (sca knight i believe( than a gold one

James B. · Post by **James B.** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:26 am

White is the only color I know of that is really reserved. Though red normally means squire there is nothing to prevent you from wearing a red belt.

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:24 am

Yeah, there are traditions in certain places of people wearing red, blue, yellow, green, all to signify some kind of relationship. But as stated, they're not reserved.

I had a "squire brother" who was an individual who had an outfit she liked to wear of boy-clothes which had a red belt. She was worried that someone would take umbrage, so my knight told her, "Tell them you're my squire." LOL

I've never heard of any SCA kingdom reserving any color for anything, other than the society wide reserve status of white for the chivalry.

MJBlazek · Post by **MJBlazek** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:27 am

Great! Thanks guys!

I was going to go for that more natural gold color than a bright yellow anway. So perhaps that won't conflict.

Ill post pictures of my project as soon as I start working on it.

Matt