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Norman Lamellar?
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:20 pm
by Jestyr
I read this here:
http://www.vikingsonline.org.uk/resourc ... /index.htm
There is also a possibility that some of the Norman nobility may have worn lamellar at Hastings. Consequently it is recommended that the following restrictions be placed upon the wearing of Lamellar.
This supports that concept:
http://www.essentialnormanconquest.com/ ... r_mail.htm
This is an Osprey website and they are hardly the expert...
Is there any evidence to support this?
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:10 pm
by Ernst
The facts are that the Normans were in Sicily before they invaded England, and Sicilian art appears to show lamellar in use. The Bayeaux tapestry has two depictions, one of Bishop Odo and another which could also be Odo, showing a two-toned brown garment worn over mail. This has been postulated to be lamellar, jazerant, gambeson, or simply a rich fabric. So, no hard proof that it was used, but a hinted possibility that it might have been.
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:18 am
by Bob H
If I was looking to find some evidence of lamellar use by the "French" Normans, I'd try to find biographical information about individuals who were at Hastings and see where they had traveled. If you find that someone who had campaigned in Sicily, for instance, then it's possible he owned such armour. Armour was expensive, and someone who had bought/stolen/pillaged some nice lamellar would likely have kept and used it, particularly if he liked it a lot.

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:55 am
by Russ Mitchell
We also, on the other hand, have significant evidence of mail-wearing warriors encountering lamellar on a regular basis during the crusades, and rejecting it in favor of mail, which provides better coverage and MUCH better mobility, albeit less impact and arrow resistance (for given penetrator/armor matchups at least).
(As a complement on top of mail, East-Euro style, it's a possibility... but we're talking, imho, a pretty serious outlier from the norm)
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:12 pm
by Jestyr
The flipside, of course, is that lamellar is better for our sport.
(Hence the original question.)
Really, to be most visually accurate, mail with hidden protection is best. I knew this, but I was hoping...
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:43 pm
by Russ Mitchell
So come to the Dark Side, east of the Elbe...
