15th century sword

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:30 am

Work in Progress - Pommel for a 15th century sword

Acetal pommel, with two piece abs arms made to fit in recess.

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:03 pm

Hiyo!

Konrad · Post by **Konrad** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:38 pm

Looks pretty sharp! I think the challenge with the inserts will be to keep them from looking too 'fake' if you know what I mean. Great concept.

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:48 pm

pommel, quillon and stick

Leopold der Wolf · Post by **Leopold der Wolf** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:51 pm

Do you have any pics of your German kit you've been putting together Nissan? The pommel looks cool too. Can't wait to see what you turn that rattan stick into.

Richard Blackmoore · Post by **Richard Blackmoore** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:58 pm

COOL!!!!!

I'm so excited. Never thought about inserts, I just assumed you would carve it like the other one. Very clever.

Thank you!!!!

My daughter Ashley saw this and said "Very Nice!"

Richard Blackmoore

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:51 pm

A rattan billet

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:55 pm

layout and chamfers

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:57 pm

more chamfers and some assembly.
Marine epoxy and hard solder wrapped grip. Haven't tried this before. Hope it works.

Malcolm_Mor · Post by **Malcolm_Mor** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:05 pm

I so need a Celtic leaf-bladed sword like this.

>jealous<

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:20 pm

Ask your brother Edric to help you make one. He is pretty good at this stuff.

Richard Blackmoore · Post by **Richard Blackmoore** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:35 pm

"Good idea. I am going to put a siloflex edge on it. My interpretation of the rules indicates that should be legal. "

What holds the siloflex in place, glue? Or is it taped onto the blade with strapping tape?

This is the niftiest thing I 've seen in a while...

Richard

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:37 am

Nice Job Nissan.

All Rattan should approximate that, for whatever weapons they are trying to represent.

You are in good company - they took the trouble of silvering the whalebone swords for Edward I tournament at Windsor.

eldric.von.atzinger · Post by **eldric.von.atzinger** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:03 am

nice job Nissan that looks sweet.
Malcolm I'm working on a leaf blade design.
Richard, it has to be taped down, can't use any type of glue on the blade or it won't pass.

Syrfinn · Post by **Syrfinn** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:38 am

Very nice

I have to start working on me one here soon also, for when I get a set of Grettir's gauntlets.

Trying to come up with how I am going to do the pommel and cross guard for a late roman spatha. I like how Vitus did his last one he just sold, just not sure about the wood and our sport. Was thinking of rubber and molding and shaving a block down for both, then painting them to look metal or wood or whalebone.

Richard Blackmoore · Post by **Richard Blackmoore** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:02 am

Thanks Edric, I should have realized glue would be out.

I love the pommel insert idea. It looks like one of those enameled high middle ages pommels. It never occured to me to do that.

I just assumed Nissan would carve my cross in the pommel and quillons and make it solid red (like the original one he did for one of his friends). Making it black and white like my real arms did not occur to me, that is spiffy. I'm guessing the other reason for the red insert, is the acetal is black and the black and white cross would not have shown up against that background.

Nissan, thank you, thank you, thank you.

And I'm glad you're putting detailed plans up with pics, hopefully a lot of people will like this idea and make some more.

The difference between looking at that and looking at my nicest SCA basket hilted sword with a round blade, is night and day.

Duke Kelson is making new gauntlets for me that should let me use a sword without a basket hilt more often with less squishing of the fingers too.

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:42 pm

tape and some detailing. The logos aren't glued in yet, they are just placed in the socket. the border is paint.

Brandr · Post by **Brandr** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:32 pm

Nice work. A beautiful weapon.

So where did you obtain the plastics?

Hmm...I need to search your other thread as well.

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:41 pm

Thank you.

I obtained the plastics for the hilt and pommel from the scrap bin at work.

Its odd. We seem to choose 1.25 inch bar stock and 2 inch cylinders as raw materials...

I obtained the abs logo assemblies from my fused deposition modeler (FDM) after I made 3d models of them in AutoCAD and hit the send to modeler key.

The day before a holiday weekend is a slow time in the lab.

audax · Post by **audax** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:25 pm

In technical terms, that is "hot shit".

Nicely done.

CiaranBlackrune · Post by **CiaranBlackrune** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:19 pm

Richard Blackmoore wrote:
And I'm glad you're putting detailed plans up with pics, hopefully a lot of people will like this idea and make some more.

The difference between looking at that and looking at my nicest SCA basket hilted sword with a round blade, is night and day.

After looking at this and other threads like it such as the show us your best sca weapon thread, I realize that there really is a better way to make an SCA sword. While I am not quite ready to move to finger gaunts and lose the basket hilt I am definetely inspired to start making weapons such as this

I agree, the difference is night and day.

I have a question though... what is the longevity like on these? Some of them seem like the weak point would be where the blade meets the hilt/cross guard. Am I incorrect on that? Do they last as long as a regular SCA sword?

Sean Powell · Post by **Sean Powell** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:22 pm

Nissan Maxima wrote: I obtained the abs logo assemblies from my fused deposition modeler (FDM) after I made 3d models of them in AutoCAD and hit the send to modeler key.

Dude! You can do rapid prototypes in COLOR??? /Lust!

I wish my own heraldry wasn't so complicated or I could do the same thing and then paint it.

Sean

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:30 pm

I made a rounded transition of the rattan into the crossguard, and soaked the hilt area in slow set epoxy, so that should make it pretty tough. I wailed the crap out of my pell with it before I taped it up.

The logo stuff prints out white, black grey or red, but just one color. I painted the pieces, which I made in white, with paint markers.

The red looked a little "toy fire engine", so I took some more slow set epexy and covered the whole thing with it. Now it looks kind of like an enameled piece and I am happier with it.

Donald St. Colin · Post by **Donald St. Colin** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:10 pm

Nissan Maxima wrote:
I obtained the abs logo assemblies from my fused deposition modeler (FDM) after I made 3d models of them in AutoCAD and hit the send to modeler key.

That shit is just a cover. Here is his autocad.....

Steven H · Post by **Steven H** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:40 am

One day I will have a house and with it the space for a band saw etc. Until that day I just admire such awesome pieces.

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,
Steven

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:47 am

There is no reason you couldn't do such a thing in an apartment, with a jigsaw or coping saw, and hand-tools.

Will is the only thing you need.

Donald St. Colin · Post by **Donald St. Colin** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:00 am

I got lots of space and tools, but this is what I use to shape rattan. The band saw doesn't like rattan and I don't have a planer. Just clamp it in a vise and shave away. Shapes rattan quickly.

J.G.Elmslie · Post by **J.G.Elmslie** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:49 am

Good idea. I am going to put a siloflex edge on it.

would anyone be able to give a quick explanation on Siloflex?

I've got a batch of ash wasters to make, and some will be used by a group who have a habit of failing to block with the flat :/
since wasters get er...wasted faster edge-on-edge, I'm always interested in tech that will improve longevity and protect them from being thrashed.

(though not 100% indestructable. you dont want your customers never needing another one...

)

any info would be appreciated.

Leopold der Wolf · Post by **Leopold der Wolf** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:28 pm

Domnall wrote:I got lots of space and tools, but this is what I use to shape rattan. The band saw doesn't like rattan and I don't have a planer. Just clamp it in a vise and shave away. Shapes rattan quickly.

Never thought of doing that. Thanks for the idea

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audax · Post by **audax** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:38 pm

Suzerain wrote:
Good idea. I am going to put a siloflex edge on it.

would anyone be able to give a quick explanation on Siloflex?

I've got a batch of ash wasters to make, and some will be used by a group who have a habit of failing to block with the flat :/
since wasters get er...wasted faster edge-on-edge, I'm always interested in tech that will improve longevity and protect them from being thrashed.

(though not 100% indestructable. you dont want your customers never needing another one... )

any info would be appreciated.

I'm not sure what it would be called on your side of the Pond but Siloflex is a type of plastic pipe used for irrigation purposes in the US.

This page offers some info and manufacturers.

http://www3.sca.org/officers/marshal/co ... valent.pdf

J.G.Elmslie · Post by **J.G.Elmslie** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:48 am

audax wrote: I'm not sure what it would be called on your side of the Pond but Siloflex is a type of plastic pipe used for irrigation purposes in the US.

ah. pretty much an outer pipe round the core, then?

I was hoping it was some nifty heatshrink or skin that could be used... sadly not.

ah well, a bailey plane, chisels and linseed oil it is... thanks for the info, though. always good to learn

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:21 am

IMG_0379 above has the siloflex strips on the floor next to the sword.

Gruber · Post by **Gruber** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:55 pm

When I get some steel stock in I should forge out a pomel for your next sword project.

Nissan Maxima · Post by **Nissan Maxima** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:56 am

Finish my german breastplate and I'll make you a bastard sword the likes of which the SCA has never seen.

herrhauptmann · Post by **herrhauptmann** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:18 pm

Well your german armor be bright red like your samurai kit?