The following links are to various medieval combat groups. They are not in any particular order. But I want people to look at them. At first glance one can easily see that some are strictly Living History and others are Martial Sports. But the real difference I want folks to really see, is EFFORT! Not on a grand scale, but on an individual basis. Look at some of the kits these folks have, you can spot bad kits in LH groups and great kits in Dagohir. I hope this post puts away the silly arguement of my group is better than your group crap that is flying about. To all of the folks in these pics with great gear I applaud you.
http://dragonsmark.emanon.com/photo2.htm
http://www.tournamentproductions.org/photos/event.html
http://www.historicenterprises.com/redco/gallery.html
http://users.erols.com/lnorberg/photo.html
http://www.st-max.org/todesengel_info_photos.htm
http://www.stormsblackcompany.org/banner2001/index.htm
http://www.larp.com/legioxx/photos.html
http://www.dagorhir.com/pictures/pictures.htm
http://www.selohaar.org/photos.htm
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Hi Winterfel,
Not to be contentious, but I would love to see you point out examples of bad kit in the Red Company galleries. If you can at all, it is most likely due to backgroud players at the occassional Rennfaire they do wandering into the photograph.
They have a strictly enfoprced minimum standard which prevents such "bad kits" showing up in their group, as does Wolfe Argent, and a number of other LH reenactment groups. Some reenactment groups have somewhat lower minimum standards, but all living history groups that actually are what they claim to be (or understand the description)have a strictly enforced minimum standard that prevents such an occurance.
They occassionaly play with groups with lower standards, as do we all. That said, the company standard does not vary.
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Not to be contentious, but I would love to see you point out examples of bad kit in the Red Company galleries. If you can at all, it is most likely due to backgroud players at the occassional Rennfaire they do wandering into the photograph.
They have a strictly enfoprced minimum standard which prevents such "bad kits" showing up in their group, as does Wolfe Argent, and a number of other LH reenactment groups. Some reenactment groups have somewhat lower minimum standards, but all living history groups that actually are what they claim to be (or understand the description)have a strictly enforced minimum standard that prevents such an occurance.
They occassionaly play with groups with lower standards, as do we all. That said, the company standard does not vary.
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I seldome find myself in total agreement with Chef, but it's never on matters of substance. And in this case, I must agree entirely.
Additionally, I want to state that when someone makes a statement like "LH is superior in terms of authentic appearance than SCA" that doesn't mean that EVERY LH person is TOTALLY superior in EVERY way to EVERY SCA person. It means that on average, they are. Usually because they have higher standards for participation and a much more narrow scope to deal with. IE, if you join a LH group, often times they do 2 years, 5 years, 20 years, 1 DAY....and the current members may (probably, almost 100% likely) already have done TONS of research from which you can quickly learn and get up to speed.
That's not an excuse for how loose the standards of the SCA are...just a fact. I don't put in enough effort myself. Wish I could put in more. But I'm glad I don't get kicked out.
Additionally, I want to state that when someone makes a statement like "LH is superior in terms of authentic appearance than SCA" that doesn't mean that EVERY LH person is TOTALLY superior in EVERY way to EVERY SCA person. It means that on average, they are. Usually because they have higher standards for participation and a much more narrow scope to deal with. IE, if you join a LH group, often times they do 2 years, 5 years, 20 years, 1 DAY....and the current members may (probably, almost 100% likely) already have done TONS of research from which you can quickly learn and get up to speed.
That's not an excuse for how loose the standards of the SCA are...just a fact. I don't put in enough effort myself. Wish I could put in more. But I'm glad I don't get kicked out.
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Ahh the problem of wandering people into photo areas.
And while I agree with both of you, my point is that it requires effort to put good looking, historical kits together. Heck it takes effort to put kicks ass fantasy kits together. Have you ever seen pictures from costume conventions? It is more than understandable that not everyone has the time, money, or expertise to create movie musuem quality outfits and accessories. But I am rather tired of seeing people do the bottom of the barrel minimum and either think they are wearing truly period garb or bemoan the fact that to make the stuff period is too hard, too much time, too expensive, too hot, wah, wah, wah...
Now I am not talking about the newbie who has been in the group for all of 8 days. I am talking about the folks who have been in the group for YEARS and still have the worst crap imaginable. There is a guy who I know has been in the SCA for at least ten years. And while he made a nice outfit, it was out of THE worst material and thus made the whole thing look bad. That is what really bugs me. And it used to bug me just as much when my stuff was not the greatest so I am not a paragon of historic virtue here either.
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And while I agree with both of you, my point is that it requires effort to put good looking, historical kits together. Heck it takes effort to put kicks ass fantasy kits together. Have you ever seen pictures from costume conventions? It is more than understandable that not everyone has the time, money, or expertise to create movie musuem quality outfits and accessories. But I am rather tired of seeing people do the bottom of the barrel minimum and either think they are wearing truly period garb or bemoan the fact that to make the stuff period is too hard, too much time, too expensive, too hot, wah, wah, wah...
Now I am not talking about the newbie who has been in the group for all of 8 days. I am talking about the folks who have been in the group for YEARS and still have the worst crap imaginable. There is a guy who I know has been in the SCA for at least ten years. And while he made a nice outfit, it was out of THE worst material and thus made the whole thing look bad. That is what really bugs me. And it used to bug me just as much when my stuff was not the greatest so I am not a paragon of historic virtue here either.
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Like playing "Where's Waldo", I could point out every single sin in each and every picture in or gallery. But Morgan's right, we have spent an extraordinary amount of time researching, and that research is available to our recruits. Just onne of the benefits of being a member of the Red Company! (hint hint! 
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