The Armour Archive

We now offer a flat shipping rate (Contiguous United States) on all spear orders in quantities up to seven spears. We are working with a local company and taking advantage of their shipping rates and huge volume.

This now allows us to ship your spears at the lowest possible rate. The first spear costs $17.00 to ship with each additional spear adding only $3.00 per spear! The website now features a drop down box for ordering spears that reflects these prices.

Regards,
Logan

read thread title as flat snapping rates....

i personaly offer those as well, for free!


logan

Balin50 wrote::lol: read thread title as flat snapping rates....

Will these be for sale at Pennsic your Grace?

flat snaps or wood grain spears?

flat snaps i cant do for a while until this elbow surgery heals and i can then have my shoulder surgery and that heals. the spears will be for sale. stop by icefalcon armory to pick them up as well as our spear tip kits. we will have plenty in stock. ice also carries some of the best helms and various body armours and those too will be available.

regards
logan

Euric Germanicus wrote:Will these be for sale at Pennsic your Grace?

I did mean the spears

Awesome! Someone I know bought one at GNEW and I had a chance to play with it this weekend. They look amazing and are the real deal, I want one for myself now.

whats "gnew"?

regards
logan

Euric Germanicus wrote:I did mean the spears

Awesome! Someone I know bought one at GNEW and I had a chance to play with it this weekend. They look amazing and are the real deal, I want one for myself now.

dukelogan wrote:whats "gnew"?

regards
logan

Euric Germanicus wrote:I did mean the spears

Awesome! Someone I know bought one at GNEW and I had a chance to play with it this weekend. They look amazing and are the real deal, I want one for myself now.

I think it means Great North Eastern War.

Or perhaps a misspelling of gnu.

ooooohhhhh like a gathering of gnus? all dressed up with nothing but a thong and some flippers? dear god and baby jesus where is this and how do i attend!!!


nagol - the alter-ego of logan who is pure and chaste of course.

audax wrote:

dukelogan wrote:whats "gnew"?

regards
logan

Euric Germanicus wrote:I did mean the spears

Awesome! Someone I know bought one at GNEW and I had a chance to play with it this weekend. They look amazing and are the real deal, I want one for myself now.

I think it means Great North Eastern War.

Or perhaps a misspelling of gnu.

Sadly, Audax is correct

dukelogan wrote:nagol - the alter-ego of logan who is pure and chaste of course.

I'm picturing this Nagol as a guy with a madu in his right hand, a strapped shield with TWO elbow cops behind it on his left arm, lots of layers of protection over his kidneys, and a tabard that says

"I <3 Combat Archery and Meridies"

/ducks

but i do love most meridians. its just the 2% 'ers that are the problem. i guess i got tagged as some sort of anti-meridian guy because ive been vocal about their problem children. fortunatly there are really very few of them.

combat archery on the other hand...... well, it could be fixed and my fingers are crossed that it will be one day.

regards
logan

Dietrich von Stroheim wrote:

dukelogan wrote:nagol - the alter-ego of logan who is pure and chaste of course.

I'm picturing this Nagol as a guy with a madu in his right hand, a strapped shield with TWO elbow cops behind it on his left arm, lots of layers of protection over his kidneys, and a tabard that says

"I <3 Combat Archery and Meridies"

/ducks

dukelogan wrote:but i do love most meridians. its just the 2% 'ers that are the problem. i guess i got tagged as some sort of anti-meridian guy because ive been vocal about their problem children. fortunatly there are really very few of them.

combat archery on the other hand...... well, it could be fixed and my fingers are crossed that it will be one day.

regards
logan

Hahah, I know, and you have certainly treated THIS Meridian well. But I couldn't resist throwing that one in there, especially after the other post you put up about the internet wildly exaggerating your opinions.

For example, someone is going to read your post above about 'Meridian problem children' and take out of it that 'Logan EATS Meridian children'

i know, its really stupid. everyone who knows me knows i eat all children. i dont care where they were spawned.


logan

Dietrich von Stroheim wrote:

dukelogan wrote:but i do love most meridians. its just the 2% 'ers that are the problem. i guess i got tagged as some sort of anti-meridian guy because ive been vocal about their problem children. fortunatly there are really very few of them.

combat archery on the other hand...... well, it could be fixed and my fingers are crossed that it will be one day.

regards
logan

Hahah, I know, and you have certainly treated THIS Meridian well. But I couldn't resist throwing that one in there, especially after the other post you put up about the internet wildly exaggerating your opinions.

For example, someone is going to read your post above about 'Meridian problem children' and take out of it that 'Logan EATS Meridian children'

bump

So, have you found meridian problem children to be tender because they haven't been worked hard enough, or tough because they haven't been tenderized enough?

i have found all five of them to be cowardly, distasteful, men that i hold no respect for at all. but hey, five out of how every many thousands of meridians is hardly 2% and easy to overlook compared to all of the super nice and really cool meridians ive met over the last almost two decades. so maybe its more like .02% to be fair.

every kingdom as them i guess.

regards
logan

Vladimir wrote:So, have you found meridian problem children to be tender because they haven't been worked hard enough, or tough because they haven't been tenderized enough?

I picked one of these up from Ice on Saturday, along with his tip kit...Put it together yesterday...

I'm really gonna have fun at war with it..

I'm gonna go ahead and say "thank you" to both Logan for getting this ball rolling and Ice for spreading the gospel on these things. After all the hell and back I've done to get my kit looking right, the money spent on hardware, rattan and weapon heads, my spear was still lacking because it looked like a long duct taped tube with a squishy bit...Now it looks like a long wood grain tube with a squishy bit on the end..But it looks sooooo much better..

well i appreciate that and im glad that i have been able to offer something that, i feel, enhances our sport and the sca in general. i think my mark II spear satisfies everything i personally wanted. something that was functional, of value, and did a little something to visually add to what it is we do.

now if we can just get spear tip regulations a little more in line with common sense so they can look less like a roll of toilet paper. so please support the marshallate in getting the smaller 2" diameter tips accepted. its going to take some time to do that but in the end i think it will only make our kits look better.

if you havent seen our wood grain spears, or if you just need some, please stop by the icefalcon booth at pennsic and come see for yourself. if you cant make it to pennsic you can always talk with ice or me at an event or visit our respective websites.

regards
logan

Angusm0628 wrote:I picked one of these up from Ice on Saturday, along with his tip kit...Put it together yesterday...

I'm really gonna have fun at war with it..

I'm gonna go ahead and say "thank you" to both Logan for getting this ball rolling and Ice for spreading the gospel on these things. After all the hell and back I've done to get my kit looking right, the money spent on hardware, rattan and weapon heads, my spear was still lacking because it looked like a long duct taped tube with a squishy bit...Now it looks like a long wood grain tube with a squishy bit on the end..But it looks sooooo much better..

dukelogan wrote:now if we can just get spear tip regulations a little more in line with common sense so they can look less like a roll of toilet paper. so please support the marshallate in getting the smaller 2" diameter tips accepted. its going to take some time to do that but in the end i think it will only make our kits look better.

But, but, but what about the wee little minimally-armored 140-pound guy who will get hit by a spear shot to the kidneys??

Naw, I fully support the 2" diameter tips on fiberglass spears. I've also had first-hand experience--there was a knight at Fool's War who was testing one of them out, and he hit me a respectable shot to the unarmored abs with it, and I was firing at someone else at the time so I didn't see it coming or tense for it, and it was FIIINE.

I didn't even notice a significant difference in impact between that and the current 3" TP roll tips.

I know that incident is far from a solid set of empirical data but it was good enough for me to make up my mind.

And just think...if we could use 2" spear tips, we might actually be able to make them look like...I dunno...SPEAR TIPS?!?

wellyou know me, i think padded tips are silly and think we should be able to thrust without them. spears might be a little different since the fiberglass doesnt flex much on impact and most shots are thrown at a longer range making control a wee bit more difficult.

however the problem with these wide heads is that the force is transfered from the diameter of the shaft out in a slightly widening cone shape. the pvc end cap isnt much bigger than the shaft so the opposite effect happens when someone thinks that a wider tip is somehow "safer" since the more tip you have the more weight you have and, thus, more force transmitted. otherwise i should be able to put a pillow on my fist and punch you in the teeth and the impact would be spread across the surface of the pillow. not a good plan huh?

i think spears should have 1.5" tips with a platform behind the padding to transfer the force equally across the face of the tip. im working on a design that encorporates a slip on cap that has a wide cup to hold the foam tip with ribs under the cup to ensure that all of the force is transfered instead of just that slight cone effect we have now.

regards
logan

Dietrich von Stroheim wrote:

dukelogan wrote:now if we can just get spear tip regulations a little more in line with common sense so they can look less like a roll of toilet paper. so please support the marshallate in getting the smaller 2" diameter tips accepted. its going to take some time to do that but in the end i think it will only make our kits look better.

But, but, but what about the wee little minimally-armored 140-pound guy who will get hit by a spear shot to the kidneys??

Naw, I fully support the 2" diameter tips on fiberglass spears. I've also had first-hand experience--there was a knight at Fool's War who was testing one of them out, and he hit me a respectable shot to the unarmored abs with it, and I was firing at someone else at the time so I didn't see it coming or tense for it, and it was FIIINE.

I didn't even notice a significant difference in impact between that and the current 3" TP roll tips.

I know that incident is far from a solid set of empirical data but it was good enough for me to make up my mind.

And just think...if we could use 2" spear tips, we might actually be able to make them look like...I dunno...SPEAR TIPS?!?

Yeah, I'm with you there on thrusting tips being a little unnecessary, with the exception of spears--in which case I think that some sort of padded tip is definitely a good idea.

I hadn't thought of the 'impact cone' that you describe, but it makes sense. I wonder if that is like how when we throw a punch with a boxing glove on, it does less superficial damage but (at least per my understanding) transmits more force to the brain?

I like the sound of your 1.5" design with the supporting platform, and would be happy to one of the testers/guinea pigs to experiment with it. I think a tip with less mass that absorbs a decent amount of force would work well for our sport.

sort of. gloves do a few things. the main thing is they cut down on the ability to knock someone out because they slow the hand down, tire you out faster, are easier to defend against, and to some extent cushion the blow. gloves were introduced to lessen the blood and thus make it a gentlemans sport (marquees of queensbury). yes, there is some question of more trauma to the brain and i dont think anyone doubts it.

its also clear when you compare boxing to mma in terms of brain trauma. its hard to knock someone out with a 12oz boxing glove, much easier with a 4ox mma glove. mma guys take far less damage overall, the fights are over faster, and studies show that there is little to no lasting brain damage. some arguments are floating around about organizations that allow knees and kicks to a downed opponent and currently all organizations except for dream and sengoku have outlawed them. dream will outlaw them before the final round of this years grand prix (when they are also outlawing thai clinches which is beyond stupid).

of course with our heavy helms and how our fighting is done there really is no chance of any possible brain damage. now i gotta run, im late for my arrival at the park near the beach where i do my interpretive dance of ET while wearing flippers and a thong and painting myself with caramel. i call it art!

regards
logan
brain damage free for nearly 20 years......

Dietrich von Stroheim wrote:Yeah, I'm with you there on thrusting tips being a little unnecessary, with the exception of spears--in which case I think that some sort of padded tip is definitely a good idea.

I hadn't thought of the 'impact cone' that you describe, but it makes sense. I wonder if that is like how when we throw a punch with a boxing glove on, it does less superficial damage but (at least per my understanding) transmits more force to the brain?

I like the sound of your 1.5" design with the supporting platform, and would be happy to one of the testers/guinea pigs to experiment with it. I think a tip with less mass that absorbs a decent amount of force would work well for our sport.