Follow the Battle of Nations Team

Tegan · Post by **Tegan** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:55 am

Per the FB score Jade and Lucan are undefeated and Felix lost 1.

Baron Conal · Post by **Baron Conal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:56 am

jester wrote:Is it unchivalrous that my first thought was, step on the cape?

I'm curious about how the SCA's version of chivalry ( the attitude ) is gonna work in this....

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:57 am

From the roster:

http://usaknights.org/teamusa_004.htm

Jade is Jade Dauser, that's easy enough.

Which ones are Felix and Lucan?

With thanks,

-Aaron

Tegan · Post by **Tegan** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:01 am

Duke Lucan is Jaye Brooks Sr.

muttman · Post by **muttman** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:01 am

Lucan is Jaye Brooks and Felix is Scott Frappier

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:01 am

Whoops, there goes another hour.

Team USA vs Team Poland is starting.

http://usaknights.org/index.html

-Aaron

Michail · Post by **Michail** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:02 am

Felix is Scott Frappier and I think Lucan is Jaye Brooks. 21 vs 21 starting usa up first

Tegan · Post by **Tegan** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:02 am

muttman wrote:Lucan is Jaye Brooks and Felix is Scott Frappier

Jinx!
Now _you_ owe me a coke!

-T
(This is turning out to be my most profitable thread in years!)

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:03 am

It is back on - USA v Poland?

Michail · Post by **Michail** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:03 am

You guys type to fast for me, I am going back to lurking where I belong

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:04 am

One more time, God Bless Team USA and may they come back mostly uninjured.

When Team USA shows up at Pennsic, I bet they could swim in the beer that they will be offered (and have a deep end for Olympic diving).

-Aaron

Gebhard · Post by **Gebhard** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:13 am

I watched as much of the fighting as I could on my phone at work.

I had a hard time follow the score? And my polish is bad.

Does anyone know how are guys did?

Syrfinn · Post by **Syrfinn** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:16 am

K, I am going to have to put a kit together for this. Even if I never get overseas for it, I can at least be an extra body for those who can to practice against. Guess time to actually look hard at the armor and under armor requirements and talk to Jackie and some other armorers.

Syrfinn · Post by **Syrfinn** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:18 am

Gebhard wrote:I watched as much of the fighting as I could on my phone at work.

I had a hard time follow the score? And my polish is bad.

Does anyone know how are guys did?

I believe Jaye(Lucan) and jade are still undefeated. I believe it was Scott(Felix) who just lost a few minutes ago. They are about to start the 21 v 21 I think.

Watching on my Xoom at work and following FB for the updates on our guys, so I could be off a little.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:21 am

Here comes the fun! 21 vs 21!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:23 am

Did Poland win?

Galvyn Lockhart · Post by **Galvyn Lockhart** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:23 am

Looks like.

Rey · Post by **Rey** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:23 am

looks that way.. looks like they just pushed people over from the back on some of them.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:25 am

9 to 0, Poland won.

Galvyn Lockhart · Post by **Galvyn Lockhart** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:25 am

Which is where their SCA training is going to hurt them. Not being used to that type of engagement.

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:25 am

hmm. Looks like our guys were not quite prepared for the blindside tackle style...

Galvyn Lockhart · Post by **Galvyn Lockhart** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 am

Hopefully they learn from the experience & make adjustments.

GO USA!!!

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 am

Put the "blindside tackle" into the SCA playbook?

KIDDING!!!

Syrfinn · Post by **Syrfinn** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 am

Yeah, I think maybe over here it would've been hard to train at first, cause you think thats a last resort style. So we might of trained to hit folks. Where in reality, that might be the main thing to do over there. Now we see how they want to play it, I am sure we will adjust.

jester · Post by **jester** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 am

More Western tradition fighting practice is needed. I'm just waiting for the team to start putting together practice melees using SCA weapons and BoN rules.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 am

I bet most of Team USA played football and will adjust to the blindside tackle. Most of them weight 300 lbs (or more) in armour so the blindside tackle should hit harder than any weapon they carry. Hardest I was ever hit was from the Bloodgaurd. They caught me looking elsewhere and I took a pile-driver header over a haybail wall. Nobody has ever hit me with even 1% of the force with a weapon.

-Aaron

Johann ColdIron · Post by **Johann ColdIron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:35 am

jester wrote:More Western tradition fighting practice is needed. I'm just waiting for the team to start putting together practice melees using SCA weapons and BoN rules.

You better eat a few cheeseburgers...

Skutai · Post by **Skutai** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:36 am

Johann ColdIron wrote:
jester wrote:More Western tradition fighting practice is needed. I'm just waiting for the team to start putting together practice melees using SCA weapons and BoN rules.

You better eat a few cheeseburgers...

Yea. I need to pack on about 50 pounds to qualify.

Johann ColdIron · Post by **Johann ColdIron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:36 am

Finn O'Shannon wrote:Yeah, I think maybe over here it would've been hard to train at first, cause you think thats a last resort style. So we might of trained to hit folks. Where in reality, that might be the main thing to do over there. Now we see how they want to play it, I am sure we will adjust.

The goal is to get the other guy on the ground either by submission or throw/grapple. Not something trained for outside that rules set. I'm sure they will get the hang of it.

igelkott · Post by **igelkott** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:37 am

Swords are almost useless in this. Shields are far more useful for bashing. Teamwork, and football linebacker training are what is needed here. Training on a blocking sled is more important here than a pell.

Chris

Baron Conal · Post by **Baron Conal** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:37 am

is it just me or is the live feed inconsistent... ( stopping and starting for me... missed the
ENTIRE USA vs. Poland fight. it stopped right as it started and restarted right as it ended... )

Theodore · Post by **Theodore** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:40 am

jester wrote:More Western tradition fighting practice is needed. I'm just waiting for the team to start putting together practice melees using SCA weapons and BoN rules.

It's called either the Combat of the Thirty or Tuchux rules depending on the ratio of steel to leather.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:44 am

Scott Frappier (Duke Felix) had an injury but bowed to his opponent (who looked like he was apologetic over the hit) and left with excellent manners and chivarly. The most recent 21 vs. 21 bout had somebody go out on a backboard? IMO that makes Scott's injury not as bad. And nobody on Team USA was injured in the 21 vs. 21 bout.

Skutai · Post by **Skutai** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:45 am

Theodore wrote:It's called either the Combat of the Thirty or Tuchux rules depending on the ration of steel to leather.

In my opinion they might benefit more from rugby or football line training. Also, lots of heavy front squats. Swinging swords appears almost incidental. I'm sure the BoN team will come back with lots of new knowledge on the subject.

jester · Post by **jester** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:46 am

Theodore wrote:
jester wrote:More Western tradition fighting practice is needed. I'm just waiting for the team to start putting together practice melees using SCA weapons and BoN rules.
It's called either the Combat of the Thirty or Tuchux rules depending on the ration of steel to leather.

Tuchux rules fighting, I have been assured, does not happen in the SCA (whatever photographs and videos I care to produce to the contrary) and the Combat of the Thirty, while intense, does not have the same conventions. I've seen people at Pennsic consciously move to avoid making eye contact and create engagement. Do that in the BoN and it looks like they'll laugh as they kick you to the ground. Even Western style melees with declared death from behind would be better for forcing situational awareness.

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