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I didn't want to keep hijacking other people's threads, so I figured I'd start my own

Bri was cool enough to send me the Marshal's Handbook, and I just wanted to ask a couple of questions to the Meridian fighters here. Any and all help is greatly appreciated

e. Footwear must be worn. Tennis shoes of colors other than brown or black, or any other glaringly non-period appearing shoes are not allowed, unless they are covered to appear period. Soft-soled moccasin boots are discouraged but permitted. Heavy leather boots are recommended.

I know this has been changed to the no cleats/no sneakers thing, but what do you guys actually wear? Could I get away with putting heavy, doc martin style of tread on a pair of turn shoes or something similar?

6. A shield is not to be used as a weapon. A shield can be used, however, to move or immobilize an opponent's shield or weapon, to move an opponent, or to resist an opponent's motion, providing only shield-to-shield or shield-to-weapon contact is made.

So if I'm fighting glaive, can I put my shoulder into a S/S guy's shield? I know he can't pop me with it, but a common thing to do here is set your shoulder into the shield and pivot around it, then whack the guy in the back of the head with your glaive - is that type of contact not allowed?

1. When two melee lines engage, any combatant in one line within the range of an opponent in the other line is considered engaged and may be struck.

2. An opponent (single fighter) in a melee, who is unaware of one's presence, may not be struck (except in the case of VI.B.1. above).

Has this changed? I was yelled at by a marshall at Fool's War for hitting a guy in the back of the head who had charged our line, then turned 45 degrees away from me to try and kill my buddy. I didn't run up behind him or anything, just reppelled the charge and threw a back cut to the back of his head. Anyone know?

Thanks!

-Loegaire

Loegaire,

If I remember correctly you are moving to Atlanta. When you get there look up Sir Rodgar, he's hard to miss. He used to be part of Asgard North, many many moons ago and can help you with the transition from Trimaris to Meridies. He probably has a good idea about your questions, as well.

Good Luck,

Christoff
"Stick Jocks is Easy, Take advantage of me..."

People wear a wide variety of things, lots of combat boots, lots of German officers boots and lots of other things to. Your idea of the turnshoes is a good one and should work just fine.

Shoulder to shield contact ... You can't bash his shield with your shoulder any more than he can bash your shoulder with his shield, you can however hide behind his shield as you go by. If you happen to make "contact" with the shield most likely nobody will notice anyway.

I can't speak for the marshal's office on the last one but I can give you my view. Based on your description, if he charged your line, was within range and then turned, he brought it on himself. Now if you closed with him after he turned then I could see how the marshal might have had a problem, but I don't think it warranted getting yelled at.

But those are just my opinions, your milage may (as always) vary.

Loegaire mac Gilray wrote:I didn't want to keep hijacking other people's threads, so I figured I'd start my own

Bri was cool enough to send me the Marshal's Handbook, and I just wanted to ask a couple of questions to the Meridian fighters here. Any and all help is greatly appreciated

e. Footwear must be worn. Tennis shoes of colors other than brown or black, or any other glaringly non-period appearing shoes are not allowed, unless they are covered to appear period. Soft-soled moccasin boots are discouraged but permitted. Heavy leather boots are recommended.

I know this has been changed to the no cleats/no sneakers thing, but what do you guys actually wear? Could I get away with putting heavy, doc martin style of tread on a pair of turn shoes or something similar?

6. A shield is not to be used as a weapon. A shield can be used, however, to move or immobilize an opponent's shield or weapon, to move an opponent, or to resist an opponent's motion, providing only shield-to-shield or shield-to-weapon contact is made.

So if I'm fighting glaive, can I put my shoulder into a S/S guy's shield? I know he can't pop me with it, but a common thing to do here is set your shoulder into the shield and pivot around it, then whack the guy in the back of the head with your glaive - is that type of contact not allowed?

1. When two melee lines engage, any combatant in one line within the range of an opponent in the other line is considered engaged and may be struck.

2. An opponent (single fighter) in a melee, who is unaware of one's presence, may not be struck (except in the case of VI.B.1. above).

Has this changed? I was yelled at by a marshall at Fool's War for hitting a guy in the back of the head who had charged our line, then turned 45 degrees away from me to try and kill my buddy. I didn't run up behind him or anything, just reppelled the charge and threw a back cut to the back of his head. Anyone know?

Thanks!

-Loegaire

I will post my replies in bold...

Loegaire mac Gilray wrote:
I know this has been changed to the no cleats/no sneakers thing, but what do you guys actually wear? Could I get away with putting heavy, doc martin style of tread on a pair of turn shoes or something similar?

Actually, HRM Maximilian simplified this ruling to "boots", I believe Sir Griffin updated the rules to reflect this and posted them in our Kingdom Newsletter. Yes, you could get away with putting a modern sole onto a period style boot.

So if I'm fighting glaive, can I put my shoulder into a S/S guy's shield? I know he can't pop me with it, but a common thing to do here is set your shoulder into the shield and pivot around it, then whack the guy in the back of the head with your glaive - is that type of contact not allowed?

No, you cannot. That would be person to shield contact which is illeagal. You could press your glaive against the shield, though and then as you pivot around work in a butt spike thrust.

1. When two melee lines engage, any combatant in one line within the range of an opponent in the other line is considered engaged and may be struck.

2. An opponent (single fighter) in a melee, who is unaware of one's presence, may not be struck (except in the case of VI.B.1. above).

Has this changed? I was yelled at by a marshall at Fool's War for hitting a guy in the back of the head who had charged our line, then turned 45 degrees away from me to try and kill my buddy. I didn't run up behind him or anything, just reppelled the charge and threw a back cut to the back of his head. Anyone know?

No, this has not changed. It could be that the marshal didn't see the guy charge and only saw you strike him from behind. Perception can be a wierd thing.

Thanks!

Your welcome!
Any errors to these answers are my own, and I will gladly accept clarification/correction.

-Loegaire

Loegaire mac Gilray wrote:

1. When two melee lines engage, any combatant in one line within the range of an opponent in the other line is considered engaged and may be struck.

2. An opponent (single fighter) in a melee, who is unaware of one's presence, may not be struck (except in the case of VI.B.1. above).

Has this changed? I was yelled at by a marshall at Fool's War for hitting a guy in the back of the head who had charged our line, then turned 45 degrees away from me to try and kill my buddy. I didn't run up behind him or anything, just reppelled the charge and threw a back cut to the back of his head. Anyone know?

Thanks!

-Loegaire

I was there. I saw the exchange. The marshal giged Loegaire for not having eye contact with the guy in the other side of Loegaire's shield..
This was in the same fight I was told by a marshal," your dead, there is no way you made it through that line without getting hit."
silliest damn thing I saw at the war.

ceddie,

A mistake that I have seen marshals (and officials in other activities make) is to judge based on what they expected to happen, not on what did happen. It's something that officials in any sport type activity have to be trained not to do.

I tried to address some of the footwear issue in the other thread, based purely on what Ive seen at the South Downs practice. Im too new to give you any guide on the rest, but I'll second Christoffer and say that looking up Sir Rodgar couldnt be a bad idea.

If you want to be ready and cleared to fight the moment you get into Atlanta, then Id suggest simply emailing the Marshal and getting answers straight from him. Im certain that Lord Konrad would be happy to advise you, and that way you'd be sure not to have any issues with doing something to 'fix' your gear only to find that it wasnt what the marshallate was actually concerned with.

Doh, I didn't see your reply on the other thread. Thanks for the info!

Endymion wrote:I tried to address some of the footwear issue in the other thread, based purely on what Ive seen at the South Downs practice. Im too new to give you any guide on the rest, but I'll second Christoffer and say that looking up Sir Rodgar couldnt be a bad idea.

If you want to be ready and cleared to fight the moment you get into Atlanta, then Id suggest simply emailing the Marshal and getting answers straight from him. Im certain that Lord Konrad would be happy to advise you, and that way you'd be sure not to have any issues with doing something to 'fix' your gear only to find that it wasnt what the marshallate was actually concerned with.

Endymion wrote:If you want to be ready and cleared to fight the moment you get into Atlanta, then Id suggest simply emailing the Marshal and getting answers straight from him. Im certain that Lord Konrad would be happy to advise you, and that way you'd be sure not to have any issues with doing something to 'fix' your gear only to find that it wasnt what the marshallate was actually concerned with.

The KEM, Sir Artos, also lives nearby to Atlanta, so you should see him around if you need any clarifications. His email is marshal@meridies.org. He is a rather short knight, long brown hair, fights in a Roman helmet, chainmail and with an oval shield. There are good pictures of him here:

http://www.asbrand.com/pics/sca/kingdom ... 8.jpg.html

http://www.asbrand.com/pics/sca/kingdom ... 9.jpg.html

Broinnfinn

broinnfinn wrote:The KEM, Sir Artos, also lives nearby to Atlanta, so you should see him around if you need any clarifications. His email is marshal@meridies.org. He is a rather short knight, long brown hair, fights in a Roman helmet, chainmail and with an oval shield. There are good pictures of him here:

http://www.asbrand.com/pics/sca/kingdom ... 8.jpg.html

http://www.asbrand.com/pics/sca/kingdom ... 9.jpg.html

Broinnfinn

Broinfinn is right! Id forgotten all about that. Sir Artos was actually at our practice this past weekend, and several before since the weather improved. Although Im too new to really say what your chances are of running into him here, I think that you can gamble on it. In other words, just coming to fighter practice would give you a good bet at catching the South Downs marshal and the KEM. Then you'd really be able to sort out what issues you might have.

And those are excellent pictures of him, Broinfinn. Thats (almost?) exactly what he was wearing at practice.

It would be easy to look up Rodger, if his slack butt would come to practice more often . I can answer most if not all of your questions.

I wear boots by bohemond. Most people wear the german officers boots or work boots. Your idea will work fine.

No body on shield contact or vice-versa

There had been some problems elsewhere at Fool's War regarding what you got yelled at for, so maybe the vigilance was excessive.

We have a large fighter practice with about 12-14 on average and some days over 25 fighters.

Look forward to seeing you and if you have any more questions email me directly. twonomads[at]mindspring.com

Sir Morgan Ironheart

Just my two cents -- sounds like the marshall was either overzealous or misinterpreted the situation.

Hope to see you at South Downs practice some time.

LR of E wrote:We have a large fighter practice with about 12-14 on average and some days over 25 fighters.
Sir Morgan Ironheart

WOW looks like i need to start hauling my slack-assen butt down there once in a while. i've been happy to have 5-6 show up on wednesdays.