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OI-YEA! OI-YEA!
All attend and notice this announcement of the first of an annual event on the fields of Pennsic...
"The Warriors of History Tourney"
Presented by the Cataphracts and Knights of Duchy Von Drachenklaue (VDK)
Sponsored by The Kingdom of the East
A "Documentable Kit" brawl for unbelts.
May God bless this event and all the unbelt fighters of the Known Worlde who attend.



Official Name: "The Warriors of History Tourney"
Sponsored by the Cataphracts and Knights of Duchy Von Drachenklaue (VDK)
A "Documentable Kit" brawl for unbelts.



Event:
An unbelted tournament for kits that meet the standards of the Fedoratii of the VDK: Order of the Cataphract


Goal:
Encourage and inspire excellence of kit on the field.



Participants must:
appear as if he walked from the pages of a history book at a spear throws distance*. His/Her appearance in Armour should inspire others to excellence and must have no glaringly un-documentable aspects (beyond those required for safety - ie: baskethilts, bargrills, cops, gauntlets, etc).
(Rule of thumb: if you can document it you can have it -- to include kits based on period works of art.)



Two Winners will be selected.

The Tournament Winner (martial prowess) will receive the title "Fedoratii Primus Pilus, AS___"

The second winner will be chosen from amongst the participants as "best kit in show" and receive the title "Fedoratii Signifer, AS___".

Both will be inducted into the VDK "Order of the Fedoratii", adorned with badge, and receive material prizes.

All entrants will be photographed for later word-fame by the heralds (and website).



Unbelted Peers my participate, and may becom the Tournament Winner (martial prowess - "Fedoratii Primus Pilus, AS___") , but may NOT win the "best kit in show" - "Fedoratii Signifer, AS___" prize.



There will be no limit to the number of participants.
All are encouraged to represent our Society with the best look possible. Spectators are welcomed and desired.



Guaranteed rejections:

- Exposed modern footwear.
Defer to Atlantia's rules on hidden modern footwear.
http://marshal.atlantia.sca.org/Rules/B ... odern.html


- Street Hockey Gloves
UNLESS covered / colored to look like real Gaunts/gloves (similar to footwear rule).


- Plastic Lamellar


- "Casserole" armour.
Casserole: mis-mash of time periods.
e.g. Churburg brestplate with a Dura helm and Wisby gauntlets and etc...
(all these are documentable by themselves, but centuries apart).


- Inappropriate persona/arms combination:
(Viking with a heater, 2 swording Roman, madu, etc)
Rule of thumb: if you can document it (and the Armour Laurels agree) you can have it


- A t-tunic over 'football' pads.



Abstract:
"...like a really cool night-club. Lots of fun on the inside, but you have to get past the bouncer."
This idea and the standards which we set will cause a tremendous amount of tumult amongst the purists. We know this.
Inspired by the awesome kits of the Battle of the 30, it is our desire to hold an unbelted tournament held to the standards of our House Order: the participants must be documentable from a spears throw (forgiving safety items).



It is possible that depending on turnout, we may adjust our standards for entry.



Entry:
Any who desire to participate may send us photograph of their full kit -- include helm, feet and weapon (shield) -- for preliminary approval or identifying issues.

Send to mattyd@mattyd.com - "Warriors of History" in the subject. Please include the time period/location of your kit, as well as any inspiration / documentation (if you have it - not required, BUT HIGHLY ENCOURAGED!!).

** Final admittance on the day will be by approval of two Armour Laurels and His Grace Duke Lucan von Drachenklaue. **




Location: Pennsic Battlefield TBD
Date: TBD, Aug 2006
Format: TBD (expect some singles and some melee).


(Update 3 - 1 Feb 06)

- A t-tunic over 'football' pads.

What about a fancy surcoat over lacrosse pads?

Dante:

I've seen 2 types of lacrosse upper body: low profile, and heinous.


- Does your kit look documentable from a spears throw?

Send a pic of you in it (head to toe) with weapons and info on the kit (mattyd@mattyd.com "Warriors of History" as subject).
If its low profile and everything else looks documentable, you should be good-to-go!

** Final admittance on the day will be by approval of two Armour Laurels and His Grace Duke Lucan von Drachenklaue. **

Wow this is something I would really like to shoot for... since I am changing my kit to be closer to my period. I am in I will shoot you a pic of my new kit when my chainmail comes in

WT

Pure curiosity was all. I don't attend Pennsic, so its a non-issue for me.

I was just wondering.

I hesitate to ask, but what types of maille are allowed? Only riveted/alternating? Thanks.

(Update 1 - 30 Jan 06)

"The Warriors of History Tourney"
Presented by the Cataphracts and Knights of Duchy Von Drachenklaue (VDK)
Sponsored by The Kingdom of the East

A "Documentable Kit" brawl for unbelts.

At 'a spears throw', most maile is acceptable.
Unless its made from key rings or pop-tops, its prob ok.

OswynHaddock wrote:I hesitate to ask, but what types of maille are allowed? Only riveted/alternating? Thanks.

Could I enter?

Or is this only for cataphract kits?

Any non-Chiv wearing a pre-17th century kit that is documentable at a spears throw.

So, yes!

I vote YES for doing this... I think I missed the memo, but it sounds cool as all get out! Can I be one of the "judges" ???

Alaric Sartiano von Drachenklaue

Good Morrow,

There is an outside chance that work will bring me stateside for the first week of Pennsic, and I'll be available to take vacation for the second week of Pennsic...

Does my kit meet the standards? Can you identify the time period I'm trying to protray?

I'm in stainless, and I do have street hockey gloves under my gauntlets, but you really have to look intently. The legs, greaves and sabatons are being updated by Ken Zicker, and eventaully I'm moving over to an armet for a helm.

-Aaron

Could you define a "spear's throw"? I'm going to have people throwing spears at me all weekend to get an accurate sampling for finding a medium and average....

But I think a "spear throw" would be about 5 meters (and still be accurate). Papa-So-San throws spears at me on some weekends, and it looks like about 5 meters when he can really get the shots in.

-Aaron

Aaron,
I look at your hands and I see gauntlets. I look at your feet and see sabatons. I am not the one who will give the final Yea or Ney, but as a Cataphract of the Order, you have my vote - so long as all the parts fit the same period and plausably go together (I'm not later period savy so I don't know).

As for identifying the time period, thats your job.
Pretend you're giving us a class on your persona and your kit is the example. Thats really the idea hera.





Entrants,
Please provide (at least) the time/place of your kit. Any other documentation (art or descriptions from period, finds, etc) would also help greatly to justify and document your look.

Another goal we hope to achieve:
At the tourney, we will take a picture of each participant.
Those pics will go up on a website listing the name and time/location of the kit.

Eventually, we hope to have this site so populated that is becomes a resource for anyone who is looking for inspiration or trying to decide on a style of kit. Each entrant will be a vital component of that resource.

Thanks!



"A spears throw"
Approx 10 paces.
Think: the distance of spectators at a tourney.

Street hockey glove,

"The hockey glove that does not look like a hockey glove, is not a hockey glove."

The one that does is no-go.


I just painted my hockey elbows (they were bright orange) with all-purpose flat black enamel (spray paint). Now, if my tunic sleve flips up, it is hidden (mostly) among all the black linnen.

Do the same with your gloves and they will be fine.

Aaron wrote:Good Morrow,

Does my kit meet the standards? Can you identify the time period I'm trying to protray?
-Aaron

I can't place what time period you're doing, because I don't study that period. It's not about what we know, it's about pushing yourself to match up with what you know about your period.

So, assuming you could document what you're doing, I would have no problem granting you entry.

-Brennan
Cataphract, VDK

I love it...wish I could be there. You might consider collecting and web-hosting pictures and documentation from remote entrants who cannot be at Pennsic as well.

PS [url=http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=291572񇋴]I'm glad you found a way to make this idea work![/url]

I see no reason to not vote for you either. You certainly have something specific in mind to recreate, and are attempting to create it- You have sabatons on dammit! How many people wear sabatons?

Alaric

I just became aware of this thread....meaning I actually read it.

THIS IS AN AWESOME IDEA.
-V

This is a great idea, I hope I make it to Pennsic this year and am allowed to participate.

Your Graces, Knights, and Men of Coat-armour,
I weep at the calling of such a noble and wonderous event. For Lo I will not be able to attend in body please accept a photo or two in harness as compense.


Lord William Thomas if there's anything I can do for you to prepare your harness for this event just let me know and I'll be happy to help you out, Brother.

i can do it.

What are the victory conditions gonna be?


A period armour tourney should have period victory conditions, IE no knee fighting acted wound silliness.

This should be done counted blows or some other PVC style.

The primarry focus of the event is documentablilty of harnesses (read: looking spiff) and encouraging and inspiring others to excellence.

We discussed alternate fighting rules (no calling 'light' on hidden armour areas; no knee fighting...) and decided that we will stick to standard conventions of combat this year and revisit the issue next year.

As for format - we are putting together multiple plans so that we are ready to deal with a minimal to massive ammount of participants. We're also considering doing a different "theme" (example: any pre 17th cent kit, but we're fighting a Roman Gladitor style / etc) each year.


Send me a pic of your kit with details!!

Murdock wrote:i can do it.

What are the victory conditions gonna be?


A period armour tourney should have period victory conditions, IE no knee fighting acted wound silliness.

This should be done counted blows or some other PVC style.

Sounds great, and I actually plan to be at Pennsic XXXV; doubt if I'll ever qualify, though. Even when I get my splinted vambraces and greaves done, I'll only look acceptable from the ground up to my neck (I assume bar grills are verboten).

Let us know when you have a date and time set; I'd love to watch.

Adriano,

Participants must:
appear as if he walked from the pages of a history book at a spear throws distance*. His/Her appearance in Armour should inspire others to excellence and must have no glaringly un-documentable aspects (beyond those required for safety - ie: baskethilts, bargrills, ...).

Bargrills and basket hilts are unavoidable and acceptable (full face helms and gauntlets are not plausable for some personas). Extra points for hiding the bargrill and pommels on swords though.

I'll vote for Murdock. His rig looked good enough to be in the Battle of the 30.

Alaric

Murdock wrote:i can do it.
What are the victory conditions gonna be?

A period armour tourney should have period victory conditions, IE no knee fighting acted wound silliness.

This should be done counted blows or some other PVC style.

Murdock,

I love the enthusiasm you show. I'd love to see it continue and blossom all the way to Pennsic.

To address your questions...
We are using standard SCA heavy list rules for a few reasons. We are attempting to promote a day in/day out advancement of period harnesses. We endeavor to show that SCA martial prowess and a high level of historical accuracy need not be mutually exclusive. Rather than make a special style tournament/competition, we chose to keep the focus on the wonderous level of armour accuracy.

Let our glorious presentation be the highlight of the affair. Please come and add your wonderful harness to the spectacle.

I think I now have a goal for my household this Pennsic.

We'd love to have you. Please let Di or I know if there is anything we can do to help.

Corwin of ArgentLupe wrote:I think I now have a goal for my household this Pennsic.

BOO-YAH!!
That is what we want to hear!.



My God Bless the efforts of your house to acheive this worthy goal! May the Peers and Crown of your Kingdom smile on your efforts!

UPDATE:



Unbelted Peers my participate, and may become the Tournament Winner (martial prowess - "Fedoratii Primus Pilus, AS___") , but may NOT win the "best kit in show" - "Fedoratii Signifer, AS___" prize.

no offense ment

" We endeavor to show that SCA martial prowess and a high level of historical accuracy need not be mutually exclusive. Rather than make a special style tournament/competition, we chose to keep the focus on the wonderous level of armour accuracy. "

How is that inconsistant with the use of counted blows rules?

The style is argueably more difficult than the standard rules set since the one shot kill is eliminated, the hed for a leg trade is eliminated, as well as various other scadianisms. It requires more stamina, the ability to throw many effective combos, and the willingness to be struck several times. The standard rules encourage one very fast opening shot of fight ender.

The standard rules in many ways discourage the wearing of the very equipment you are attempting to get one the field, in favor of an modern a-period set of equipment not represntative of any period. They defiantely discourage the use of many weapons, other than sword and shield and on medieval styles like SCA 2 stick, sword and inverted greatsword, and SCA "madu".


That being said i will likely try to attend irregardless of the particular rules set, it sounds like fun if the spirit of the list is enforced. The victory conditions however, will greatly influence what weapon i select.

Good Morrow,

I would like to second the counted strikes idea.

Fighting from the knees just seems weird to me. Others enjoy it, and when I'm in their tournament, I'm a guest and follow their rules...but if you could make it counted strikes I would enjoy it even more (if I can get there ).

-Aaron

I suppose i should at least post a pic for approval

kinda old pic, note super cute period baby


last pennsic with surcoat


last pennsic no surcoat. i think i'm saying "whach talkin bout willis"



same armour with newest hemp arming coat, sorry bout my face bing in the pic.

Aaron wrote:Fighting from the knees just seems weird to me.
-Aaron

You still fight from your knees? Why give up one perfectly good leg?