The Armour Archive

What questions would you put on there?

Include four possibl answers, with only one being right...

100 good and relevant questions would be nice. Silly but accurate is OK too. Referencing real experience and myths is a big plus.

Have fun!

-Aaron

Wouldn't it vary by kingdom?

Just stick to the SCA core rules.

I would have missed the bits on ballastia bolts for example...

All of the following helms pass armor requirements except which?
A. A Spangenhelm made from 14ga mild plates.
B. A hand raised Sallet from 16ga stainless.
C. A Bascinet hand dished from 12ga mild.
D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.

I have never, ever, seen a marshal that had a set of metal calipers.

So, which would get passed? All of the above.

Raulin Arbor wrote:All of the following helms pass armor requirements except which?
A. A Spangenhelm made from 14ga mild plates.
B. A hand raised Sallet from 16ga stainless.
C. A Bascinet hand dished from 12ga mild.
D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.

D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.


I would also find the hand-raised 16 ga stainless sallet iffy too.

Anyone else?

If you are serious about this, you'll need to define different topics and propose questions. This group is probably more likely to improve a series of questions, rather than write 100 new ones.

Dante della Luna wrote:I have never, ever, seen a marshal that had a set of metal calipers.

So, which would get passed? All of the above.

Raulin Arbor wrote:All of the following helms pass armor requirements except which?
A. A Spangenhelm made from 14ga mild plates.
B. A hand raised Sallet from 16ga stainless.
C. A Bascinet hand dished from 12ga mild.
D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.

I have a set of digital calipers in my marshal's kit.

I have never actually used them, but they're there.

f

freiman the minstrel wrote:

Dante della Luna wrote:I have never, ever, seen a marshal that had a set of metal calipers.

So, which would get passed? All of the above.

Raulin Arbor wrote:All of the following helms pass armor requirements except which?
A. A Spangenhelm made from 14ga mild plates.
B. A hand raised Sallet from 16ga stainless.
C. A Bascinet hand dished from 12ga mild.
D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.

I have a set of digital calipers in my marshal's kit.


I have never actually used them, but they're there.

f

I'll give you bonus points if you have a portable radiography setup to check weld integrity.

Aaron wrote:I would also find the hand-raised 16 ga stainless sallet iffy too.

Raising makes the metal thicker, not thinner.

-Derian.

Ah-ha! I lose!

I think it would be fun to have an on-line quiz.

With respect,

-Aaron

Question 1: Which is the best way to learn and test your knowledge as a Marshal in the SCA?
A) On the internet.
B) On the field with actual, live, SCA fighting, including both participating in and observing/marshalling same.

No further questions. Scoring is Pass/Fail.

Blaine de Navarre wrote:Question 1: Which is the best way to learn and test your knowledge as a Marshal in the SCA?
A) On the internet.
B) On the field with actual, live, SCA fighting, including both participating in and observing/marshalling same.

No further questions. Scoring is Pass/Fail.

I just shudder when I hear a non-fighting marshal-wannabe say they want to authorize just so they can become a Sr. Marshal and then "tell the fighters what to do."

Argh..

On the other hand, I think a lot more fighters should spend time marshaling at wars. It is an eye opening experience for many.

FrauHirsch wrote:On the other hand, I think a lot more fighters should spend time marshaling at wars. It is an eye opening experience for many.

IMO, there are almost no excuses for any fighter not to also be a marshal. It's one of those things that "gives back", and lets others have a turn at play. At a war, pick one battle and marshal; in the Lists, pick an event or even a few rounds, and pitch in.

Greetings,

Alex Baird wrote:IMO, there are almost no excuses for any fighter not to also be a marshal. It's one of those things that "gives back", and lets others have a turn at play. At a war, pick one battle and marshal; in the Lists, pick an event or even a few rounds, and pitch in.

Agreed. It's our sport after all.


Hjlmr inn Danski

FrauHirsch wrote:

Blaine de Navarre wrote:Question 1: Which is the best way to learn and test your knowledge as a Marshal in the SCA?
A) On the internet.
B) On the field with actual, live, SCA fighting, including both participating in and observing/marshalling same.

No further questions. Scoring is Pass/Fail.

I just shudder when I hear a non-fighting marshal-wannabe say they want to authorize just so they can become a Sr. Marshal and then "tell the fighters what to do."

Argh..

On the other hand, I think a lot more fighters should spend time marshaling at wars. It is an eye opening experience for many.

My personal opinion is that if a non-fighting marshal becomes a senior marshal, the system has failed miserably. Someone who wants to marshal just to "tell the fighters what to do" would probably never receive a warrant from me. You're not doing it just to piss in someone's Cheerios...not on my watch. As a regional marshal in AEthelmearc, I may have warranted two non-fighting marshals (I've had the job for probably 3 years if not going on 4 years now.) The more I think about it, the more likely it's probably only been one. I have to be given an extremely compelling reason why someone who doesn't fight should be warranted over someone who does. Buy hey that's me within my little region of the kingdom.

Havoc

benz72 wrote:

freiman the minstrel wrote:

Dante della Luna wrote:I have never, ever, seen a marshal that had a set of metal calipers.

So, which would get passed? All of the above.

Raulin Arbor wrote:All of the following helms pass armor requirements except which?
A. A Spangenhelm made from 14ga mild plates.
B. A hand raised Sallet from 16ga stainless.
C. A Bascinet hand dished from 12ga mild.
D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.

I have a set of digital calipers in my marshal's kit.


I have never actually used them, but they're there.

f

I'll give you bonus points if you have a portable radiography setup to check weld integrity.

Hey, the Calipers were on sale.

They look cool in the bag.

Is it possible to get a portable radiography set up that fits in a marshals kit? I know nothing about it, but it sounds unlikely.

f

benz72 wrote:

freiman the minstrel wrote:

Dante della Luna wrote:I have never, ever, seen a marshal that had a set of metal calipers.

So, which would get passed? All of the above.

Raulin Arbor wrote:All of the following helms pass armor requirements except which?
A. A Spangenhelm made from 14ga mild plates.
B. A hand raised Sallet from 16ga stainless.
C. A Bascinet hand dished from 12ga mild.
D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.

I have a set of digital calipers in my marshal's kit.


I have never actually used them, but they're there.

f

I'll give you bonus points if you have a portable radiography setup to check weld integrity.

A good ultrasonic (UT) system is all you need to check both helm thickness and weld integrity. Much easier to use and carry than a radiograph system. It would be interesting to do a UT check of SCA helms except for the fact that some helms would fail and piss off their owners.

HauoctheWild wrote: I have to be given an extremely compelling reason why someone who doesn't fight should be warranted over someone who does. Buy hey that's me within my little region of the kingdom.

Havoc

I think the problem people have is the definition of what it means to be a fighter. Is it authorization, 1 yr, 2 yrs, 4? Does it mean fighting in one war a year, once a month, or 3 times a week? For how long? What if you are out of fighting for awhile? (I know some older Knights who have health issues, I assume they can still marshal perfectly fine.)

I find this interesting because I can tell that some of the newbies assume because I'm a woman that I'm in the non-fighting marshal category because I was out injured for awhile, but the oldtimers know that I fought 2-3x a week for 15 yrs straight before I lighted up my participation due to having kids. Now that I'm back in armor, I will probably only fight a few times a month ... being still rather broken in the knee department.

I would not approve a Sr. Marshal warrant for someone who just "authorized" either, but in Caid I think they are automatically a standard Marshal.

-J

Derian le Breton wrote:

Aaron wrote:I would also find the hand-raised 16 ga stainless sallet iffy too.

Raising makes the metal thicker, not thinner.

-Derian.

How does raising the metal make it thicker?
Did you mean harder perchance?

freiman the minstrel wrote:Is it possible to get a portable radiography set up that fits in a marshals kit? I know nothing about it, but it sounds unlikely.

f

No, it is possible to get a good one that will fit in a refrigerator box though. It was (an apparently poor) attempt at humor. For easy weld inspection try liquid dye penetration tests, but really this whole side discussion is about ridiculous overkill, like using an electron microscope to do armor polishing. Please ignore all comments preceeded by my name...

Trystyn of Anglesey wrote:How does raising the metal make it thicker?

The same amount of metal is compressed into a smaller total surface area. Thus, the thickness must increase.

Did you mean harder perchance?

Nope.

-Derian.

FrauHirsch,

Doesn't fight and formerly fought are vastly different things in my book. Someone who no longer fights once fought and, as such, has experience in armor. I was mostly speaking about those who've never fought. I don't see someone whose on the shelf because they can't physically doing it before being someone who simply wants to boss fighters around. If that proved to not be the case, well I'd have to act upon it.

Havoc

Larmer wrote:

benz72 wrote:

freiman the minstrel wrote:

Dante della Luna wrote:I have never, ever, seen a marshal that had a set of metal calipers.

So, which would get passed? All of the above.

Raulin Arbor wrote:All of the following helms pass armor requirements except which?
A. A Spangenhelm made from 14ga mild plates.
B. A hand raised Sallet from 16ga stainless.
C. A Bascinet hand dished from 12ga mild.
D. A Spuntop spun from 16ga mild.

I have a set of digital calipers in my marshal's kit.


I have never actually used them, but they're there.

f

I'll give you bonus points if you have a portable radiography setup to check weld integrity.

A good ultrasonic (UT) system is all you need to check both helm thickness and weld integrity. Much easier to use and carry than a radiograph system. It would be interesting to do a UT check of SCA helms except for the fact that some helms would fail and piss off their owners.

A caliper would be fine for checking the edges of a helm (or any other sheet part), but not in the middle of a dished surface.

Yes. I have used a thickness UT device on my (old) helm. There were 4 or 5 spots that were about .006" under. I was not overly alarmed. The helm has been replaced

Yes, there would be a number of upset fighters, as there were when helm grilles started _actually_ being checked with a gauge. (Again, one spot on my old helm that was approx 0.0005" over. My gauge was made +/- .0002". Yes, two tenthousandths of an inch)

William Arwemakere