What patterns do people want to see in a pattern archive?

[Scott Martin]

Hello

A thread separate from "should we revive the pattern archive" so that you can let other armourers know what patterns you WANT to see in a pattern archive.

Scott Martin

(Edit by JT... stickied to the top)

[Keegan Ingrassia]

Yes.

[Emeryk]

What I realy need is a pattern for Polish Hussar breast plate, back plate, and something for my head but I think I just need to work the breast and back plates out myself. Maybe a nice splinted arms and legs pattern would be nice. Yes, I know that making your own patterns is best but a good starting shape is all a lot of people are looking for and maybe a comment on how to better size said pattern to your needs.

[Ckanite]

Yeah. It got me that start I have now. Without the Pattern Archive, I would have never stuck around on this wonderful site and met all you amazing nutters! I think it's about time to give it some TLC. Btw I know this would take up a bunch of JT's time, so I'd like to give him a bit of a thank you for the job he's doing as well as the other people who have recently doubled up their efforts to keep the spammers out.

[losthelm]

There are a number of threads featuring both armour as well as sca weapons and soft kit gear that would make fine additions to either the pattern archive, or the essay section.

The LED lantern, the 5 pannel spangen helm, vitus axe tutorial, and Hal's hammer tutorial are useful threads that should be preserved with pictures for use.

[mastadonn]

Burgonet, Wisby #24 COP

[Aussie Yeoman]

A good set of Gothic pauldrons
Milanese/Italian Pauldrons (Wade shared some somewhere)
Gothic floating elbow cop (I could provide)
Lots and lots and lots of other stuff.

[nicholas cochiolo]

16th c. german 3/4
burgeonet
16 c .german mitten gauntlets
articulating gorget
german stuff

[Kristoffer]

I would like to see more historical patterns instead of the standard SCA stuff. Also, drawings of profiles and such for historical helmets and other parts would be awesome. Things like the bascinet drawings Mac did with the "historical" vs "modern" theme is fantastic and could be a good way of helping more people produce more period items.

[Aussie Yeoman]

On that topic, I think it would be valuable to have design-aid sheets for things that should not necessarily have patterns. Things like Milanese almost-enclosed-rerebraces and such which would vary quite a lot depending on the individual. Ok, so that example is a bit simple, but you know what I mean.

Instructions for patterning something which cannot reasonably assumed to be a 'one size fits most'.

[Ceawlin]

Design sheets are good. I love the "gothic armor notes" that Darius authored several years ago. They've given me the starting point to craft my own patterns and create my first gothic breastplate.

It seems the more you know about armoring, the more you discover there is to learn.

[Malphonso]

I'd like to see gauntlet patterns, some more gorgets, how about things like arrow heads, knives, that kind of thing too.

[bigfredb]

Churburg #13
Simple Vambraces
Some simple clamshell gauntlets
A dogface bascinet Visor

[Pitbull Armory]

Hi Scott, Any new patterns would be great.


take care

Pitbull

[Seonac]

Spangenhelm Ocular. That'd be spectacular, as I can't get the right 'shape' from the oculars, even in cardboard.

[Justin Andrews]

I have a (half) decent pattern for a Gjermundbu style occular at home as it happens.

[Gustovic]

I would like to see more historical patterns instead of the standard SCA stuff. Also, drawings of profiles and such for historical helmets and other parts would be awesome. Things like the bascinet drawings Mac did with the "historical" vs "modern" theme is fantastic and could be a good way of helping more people produce more period items.

+1!
Please Mac, bless us with more of these!!!

[vboscamp]

All available is my answer

[Sean Powell]

As important as a pattern is, it is more important to understand how to SCALE the pattern. Measuring the head circumference is a good start for a spangen helm but how much should be added for padding? How much width vs length? How tall should the spangen plates be? etc etc. We could realy use some pointers on each pattern about scale, proporting and re-sizing.

Sean

[wcallen]

If we really want to do this (anyone can have any patterns I have).....

Any pattern for anything that requires any real shaping really needs to include what the finished piece looks like, how the piece was worked and (at least in my case) the trimming that happened once the piece was in its mostly-final-shape.

These (down at the bottom) are pretty close:

http://www.allenantiques.com/R-35.html

They show the shape (that basically wasn't trimmed) the roll width, and (in pencil) lines that indicate overlaps and flair points.

But they give you no idea how I hit the metal. In this case it was pretty much "hit it from the inside on a flat anvil with a rounded hammer until it had the right amount of dish and then mangle the thing into shape, followed by rolls and flairs. Then fiddle for hours and hours and hours to get it to all fit right."

I knew it could work because the kid had worn the original paper patterns which did not include overlap or flairs and the material wasn't being moved that much.

But I am not sure how useful that really is even on this (relatively) unshaped piece.

Wade

[lorenzo2]

I used a set of wades patterns as a starting point for some german arms and shoulders a while back and they were excellent. Basically I resized them to fit and made prototype out of paper and made a few tweeks. They saved me a lot of time. Wade, you should put those patterns up, they are really easy to use.

[wcallen]

this one:

http://www.allenantiques.com/images/Got ... nsOrig.jpg

?

There it is. Thanks to people who kept track of it over the years. It is now on my site. It was used to make:

http://www.allenantiques.com/images/Got ... maller.jpg

So now we have a pattern and the result posted in the same place.

Wade

[Mad Matt]

Wouldn't it make sense to put a seperate forum section for patterns and set a rule allowing posting of a pattern as a thread ONLY. With a descriptive title. This would also allow tech support on the patterns posted to be right there with the patterns.

[coreythompsonhm]

Wouldn't it make sense to put a seperate forum section for patterns and set a rule allowing posting of a pattern as a thread ONLY. With a descriptive title. This would also allow tech support on the patterns posted to be right there with the patterns.

This!

[Scott Martin]

The problem being that patterns are much bigger than the ~100 kB that the forum allows as an upload. I'll look at aggregating some patterns so that they can be linked as Matt suggested, since that makes a lot of sense - and maybe we should do it anyway

Scott Martin

[Kindyr]

I like Matt's idea, and in looking at the image sizes in the Armor of the month section, it appears moderators may have the ability to post larger images? So perhaps the section could be set up and a moderator could move patterns and tutorials into the section with larger patterns and images.
The issue with linking outside of the forum would be links going dead over time.

[Effingham]

I would like to see more historical patterns instead of the standard SCA stuff.

+ Hell Yeah.

[Mad Matt]

You can resize a pattern to fit the size limit easily.

[Malphonso]

You could link to the pattern in the post and provide a picture of the finished product. Perhaps even provide a link to the thread from the pattern page.

[Jan van Nyenrode]

Hi Scott,

My ideal would be something similar to:

http://www.alternaliv.se/histvarld/drae ... ekter.html

but with additional construction information on the various subpages.

Cheers,

Jan

[Sean Powell]

You can resize a pattern to fit the size limit easily.

True but I like a clear pattern when possible.
I wonder if it is possible to change the size limit for one forum? If not then an easier way to put images on the AA server would help. I know I have space on the AA but I don't know how to use it.

Sean

[Kilkenny]

this one:

http://www.allenantiques.com/images/Got ... nsOrig.jpg

?

There it is. Thanks to people who kept track of it over the years. It is now on my site. It was used to make:

http://www.allenantiques.com/images/Got ... maller.jpg

So now we have a pattern and the result posted in the same place.

Wade

Chuckle. and so here we have an excellent example of the gap between "here, have a pattern" and "Look, I made this from that pattern!" This particular piece is outside my personal frame of reference and looking at the patterns and then the finished work I would be utterly lost without detailed directions

Even so, I think this sort of presentation - Here's a pattern - it makes this is really tremendously helpful. Where possible one more point of reference, to an historic example, would be terrific.

As to patterns I would be interested in seeing: cased greaves (these things are magical to me and I still need lots of help in just trying to imagine how to get from A to B ); gauntlets - so many ways of doing them and such fascinating pieces; articulated joints.

[Woeg]

I know many here will disagree, but cheap, get em on the field options would be great. At the time I started, I was flat broke, and pickle barrel was free. I made a hidden plastic brig out of some god awful blue canvas, but it got me on the field, which had me hooked. This weekend, I am putting the finishing touches on my full mid-late 14th century kit. We all hate pickle barrel, but if it hadn't have been for pickle barrel, I never would have gotten started armoured fighting or armouring.

Having some options for less ugly kits using super cheap/free materials would be a good way to hook in some newbies that most certianly will evolve eventually to more authentic kits.

[LdEskel]

more stuff for Leather and transitional gear would be nice.
It would be nice for people on my level, who won't touch plastic, but live in an apartment and don't have the setup for the fancy late-period plate which seems to be favored on AA.

[Andeerz]

That hexagon-scale Chinese armour that one guy made and posted on this forum (http://www.armourarchive.org/essays/Shanwenkia.pdf) Though the design is completely speculative, it works and is probably the most feasible interpretation yet of how it was made.