The Armour Archive

This is not an excuse.
"If you're not in my game, you are not worthy of my respect".

If I made something and it sucked (in the case of armor it most likely would) i'd expect to be told the product sucks and to try again. There was nothing unduly harsh in peoples treatment of him.

The swirly finish is used allot in art.
Like a sheet of stainless steel with grinder marks to give it some pizazz.

It works in art but not on a medieval harness IMHO.

Best of luck with your sales New Member Christopher J.
Hal

Signo wrote:All you should stop this SCA centric view of the world.
SCA regular is not the only kind of armour worth to be made, decorative and fantasy stuff has the same dignity.
You are ready to tell the newbie that put togheter a ugly sca kit that is unbearable, how great it is (while it is not), but one second later you can bash anything else because it is intended for another purpose.
He can ask 10.000$ for his job, kudos to him if the can make the sell, it's not your problem if the stuff worth it or not, all it's relative. And you are the same people that keep telling how underpriced armour is comparedo to their real value, but it appear that this is true only again for SCA stuff.
You acted the same way with Pitbull Armoury, he took it in the good way on the long run, but this doesn't mean you must act like dorks on anyone that show here proud of their efforts.
What do you prefer? That he maybe become part of this community, or that he leave forever thinking that we are a bunch of asshats? What interest do you have in the second?

Wow, speaking of asshats...

I fail to see where, exactly, you got the idea that a poor finish and a lack of historical accuracy would be things that only SCA fighters care about, and no one else.
The creator of this armour did not post ANY intended purpose for it (functional/artwork), so we are free to assume that it is intended for any use we like.
Perhaps, if you could untwist your panties for a moment, you might realize that WE ARE THE MARKET HE'S TRYING TO SELL TO. That means that when we give feedback on his asking price, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP HIM WITH HIS SALE.
Whether he decides to stay here or move on is entirely up to him. If he wishes to stay, I welcome him. But its more likely that he joined the forum in order to sell his armour in an armour-centric market.

In the future, keep your damned assumptions to yourself.

OOH!!! a flame war in classifieds...don't see that very often outside fo mc&w and pc....Grab some marshmallows kids! We gonna have some s'mores!

Doorman wrote:OOH!!! a flame war in classifieds...don't see that very often outside fo mc&w and pc....Grab some marshmallows kids! We gonna have some s'mores!

That explains Signo's love of ferraris.. both of them go from 0 to in flames in a ditch in 3.8 seconds.

Maeryk wrote:

Doorman wrote:OOH!!! a flame war in classifieds...don't see that very often outside fo mc&w and pc....Grab some marshmallows kids! We gonna have some s'mores!

That explains Signo's love of ferraris.. both of them go from 0 to in flames in a ditch in 3.8 seconds.

priceless.

did you remember the marshmallows? I have the chocolate and graham crackers!

Signo wrote:This is not an excuse.
"If you're not in my game, you are not worthy of my respect".

I dont think it's a question of the game. More that he didnt bother to research his customer base when he posted here. Im sure that somewhere there is a person willing to spend $2500 on what he is selling. He's just not going to sell it here for that price.

For $2500 I can get an Icefalcon set:

http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon ... 1ed-p.html

Im just sayin

I do believe you are missing the point Signo. You coming from the land of Ferrarri's and Lamborghini's, if somebody came up to you and offered to sell you a Yugo for the price of a Ferrari or Lamborghini, would you even give him the time of day? I highly doubt it. Like it was stated, many of the best armourers lurk here and if someone new pops up to make a quick buck selling a Yugo at Ferrari prices, that's kinda disrespectful to the master armourers who have spent years of blood and sweat mastering the art and getting it right. They have earned the right to command those prices, unfortunately he has not. I commend his effort as he put a lot of time into it, but maybe he should have looked around here first and asked people what it might be worth instead of just putting it here with that price tag on it. I believe the responses would have been less inflammatory if he had gone that path. My humble opinion.

Edward

The guy shows up here, perhaps imperfectly and gets his ass handed to him. For what? Trying to sell something?
I don’t know the guy from Adam, but I do know how much effort he put into that harness and considering he is apparently out side of any community and there for without direction I think he did a pretty darn good job for his first effort. As good as a few on this board that take money for their,….work. and are accepted.
It’s interesting, this reaction, and from a group that I am constantly amazed at the willingness to accept, welcome, and tolerate just about any dipshit, nerd, geek, dingbat, social misfit, malcontent, and loser to come along. Who knows with a little acceptance and some FRIENDLY guidance, and twenty or so years of practice he could be the next Mac,…………….. Not likely but we will probably never know.
This guy came straight off the street with a real world idea of what something should cost. The problem is not that he is asking to much. The problem is that everyone here pays/expects to pay to little.

Castleguard wrote:I do believe you are missing the point Signo. You coming from the land of Ferrarri's and Lamborghini's, if somebody came up to you and offered to sell you a Yugo for the price of a Ferrari or Lamborghini, would you even give him the time of day? I highly doubt it. Like it was stated, many of the best armourers lurk here and if someone new pops up to make a quick buck selling a Yugo at Ferrari prices, that's kinda disrespectful to the master armourers who have spent years of blood and sweat mastering the art and getting it right. They have earned the right to command those prices, unfortunately he has not. I commend his effort as he put a lot of time into it, but maybe he should have looked around here first and asked people what it might be worth instead of just putting it here with that price tag on it. I believe the responses would have been less inflammatory if he had gone that path. My humble opinion.

Edward

If something does not interest me, I simply won't buy it, there is no reason to showel crap in the face of this guy.
There is not a "earned right" to ask a certain price for a certain item only if you are a recognized artisan, this is a big load of crap. And there is not disrespect in asking if someone is interested in something, I don't think that MAC, JIRI, or Robert McPerson lost their sleep due to this horrible offense that appear must to be washed with .. crap.

... Tombur, this is the internet, I speak of what the fuck I want, and I say what the fuck I want to say, and you can't do anything to it except to not listen to me if this hurt your feelings.

Regards.

Signo wrote:... Tombur, this is the internet, I speak of what the fuck I want, and I say what the fuck I want to say, and you can't do anything to it except to not listen to me if this hurt your feelings.

Regards.

As does everyone else in this thread you are high-mindedly chastising for calling a duck a duck.

Regards, and a spoonful of perception.

Signo wrote:Tombur, this is the internet, I speak of what the fuck I want, and I say what the fuck I want to say, and you can't do anything to it except to not listen to me if this hurt your feelings.

Regards.

You forgot "nanny nanny boo-boo." And the second "r" in my nickname.

Luther Anshelm wrote:The guy shows up here, perhaps imperfectly and gets his ass handed to him. For what? Trying to sell something?
I don’t know the guy from Adam, but I do know how much effort he put into that harness and considering he is apparently out side of any community and there for without direction I think he did a pretty darn good job for his first effort. As good as a few on this board that take money for their,….work. and are accepted.
It’s interesting, this reaction, and from a group that I am constantly amazed at the willingness to accept, welcome, and tolerate just about any dipshit, nerd, geek, dingbat, social misfit, malcontent, and loser to come along. Who knows with a little acceptance and some FRIENDLY guidance, and twenty or so years of practice he could be the next Mac,…………….. Not likely but we will probably never know.
This guy came straight off the street with a real world idea of what something should cost. The problem is not that he is asking to much. The problem is that everyone here pays/expects to pay to little.

As I said.. nice looking suit, but the finish needs work.

Welcome to the Archive.. where it seems to be a group hobby to bag the shit out of anything people have, like, or have aquired. Everyone's got one, and they all stink..

Luther Anshelm wrote:The guy shows up here, perhaps imperfectly and gets his ass handed to him. For what? Trying to sell something?
I don’t know the guy from Adam, but I do know how much effort he put into that harness and considering he is apparently out side of any community and there for without direction I think he did a pretty darn good job for his first effort. As good as a few on this board that take money for their,….work. and are accepted.
It’s interesting, this reaction, and from a group that I am constantly amazed at the willingness to accept, welcome, and tolerate just about any dipshit, nerd, geek, dingbat, social misfit, malcontent, and loser to come along. Who knows with a little acceptance and some FRIENDLY guidance, and twenty or so years of practice he could be the next Mac,…………….. Not likely but we will probably never know.
This guy came straight off the street with a real world idea of what something should cost. The problem is not that he is asking to much. The problem is that everyone here pays/expects to pay to little.

Thank you. I was hoping that the knightly virtues that many espouse here would show up in this thread. You sir are a credit to your order.

Ongoing....



The end result...



Needed....



Or else!....

Luther Anshelm wrote:The guy shows up here, perhaps imperfectly and gets his ass handed to him. For what? Trying to sell something?
I don’t know the guy from Adam, but I do know how much effort he put into that harness and considering he is apparently out side of any community and there for without direction I think he did a pretty darn good job for his first effort. As good as a few on this board that take money for their,….work. and are accepted.
It’s interesting, this reaction, and from a group that I am constantly amazed at the willingness to accept, welcome, and tolerate just about any dipshit, nerd, geek, dingbat, social misfit, malcontent, and loser to come along. Who knows with a little acceptance and some FRIENDLY guidance, and twenty or so years of practice he could be the next Mac,…………….. Not likely but we will probably never know.
This guy came straight off the street with a real world idea of what something should cost. The problem is not that he is asking to much. The problem is that everyone here pays/expects to pay to little.

Well said Luther.

Maeryk wrote:It's a pretty nice looking suit, in all honesty. But, if you are going to ask that kinda money, you _might_ want to polish it.

My time is worth somting isn't it? I put alot of work into this thing. If you broke it down into an hr pay rate with over 450 hrs devide that by the $2,500.00 and all I get per hr is $5.50. That's minimum wadge.

Christopher J wrote:

Maeryk wrote:It's a pretty nice looking suit, in all honesty. But, if you are going to ask that kinda money, you _might_ want to polish it.

My time is worth somting isn't it? I put alot of work into this thing. If you broke it down into an hr pay rate with over 450 hrs devide that by the $2,500.00 and all I get per hr is $5.50. That's minimum wadge.

You are looking to sell an item you apparently made on a lark at the going rate for professional grade stuff, done by people to support themselves.

Is your time worth something? Absolutely. Is it worth what you are trying to price it at, for an item in that condition? Apparently not.

After all, the nicest, most expensive thing ever made is not worth a dime unless someone with money wants to buy it from you, right?

I wish you all the luck in the world selling that suit. I merely gave advice as to why you might not be getting the nibbles, here, that you seem to expect to get.

I did put O.B.O (or best offer) in my post did everyone miss that. I KNOW that I won't get $2,500.00 but I had to start some where. But oh that's right I'm New-Bee right?

Christopher J wrote:I did put O.B.O (or best offer) in my post did everyone miss that. I KNOW that I won't get $2,500.00 but I had to start some where. But oh that's right I'm New-Bee right?

Well, you are certainly new here. But if you want to take up what you consider unfair criticism with people, by all means do so. I wasn't one of those people. I tried to give a constructive suggestion that might help you get the money you are looking for.

That's ok I get it.

Christopher J wrote:I did put O.B.O (or best offer) in my post did everyone miss that. I KNOW that I won't get $2,500.00 but I had to start some where. But oh that's right I'm New-Bee right?

Again, I think this has less to do with you being a new artisan and more to do with your delusions of grandure. You did a fine job for someone who didnt know what he was doing. But you shouldnt expect people to pay professional wages to an amateur.

If I order something from one of the professionals (icefalcon) and there is a problem with the order, I know they will take care of me. If I paid you $2500 for the armor, and it got bent in shipping or never arrived.... How do I know you will do right by me without being forced? I wont even go into if the armor didnt fit right.....

Just incase you decide to sell something in the furture, I will give you this bit of advice:

1. An object is only worth what somone is willing to pay for it
2. Selling something used for the same price as something new isnt going to work.
3. When pricing an object forsale, it is best to research what would be a realistic asking price, so that you dont risk offending your customer base.
4. Understand that when you sell something people are generally going to point out everything thats wrong with it, in an effort to drive down the asking price. (in this case more so because the asking price was what one would expect to pay for a new suit)

Hope this helps you. I would make you an offer on the suit, but my offer would be far too low to be fair.

Hope you sell it Chris. Worst case scenario, you have a functional conversation piece for your home. Just might be a hard sell with the economy still in the toilet. Good luck.

Edward

You guys make a good and valid point. I didn’t look at that way. I just figured on starting on the high side and the haggling would ensue.

But I still have to say my piece.
Hey I never clamed to be an Armouror nor a Blacksmith or what ever. I made this 6 years ago on a whim, a one off. I did some research bought the steal and what ever else I need and pounded it out. Hell I even made a lot of the forming tools my self. It’s not perfect I know this. I did the best I could with what I had and I only had ONE HOUR PER DAY to work on it, not 8 not 5 not 3 BUT ONE 5 days a week. I priced MY full harness based on allot of different harnesses I saw on E-Bay or any where else I found Armour for sale.
Did ANYONE even noticed that I also put O.B.O (or best offer) in my posting or is it that I’m a “New- Beeâ€

Welcome to the Archive.



Hal

Thanks and cheers to you.

This is the want ad section right? Not the hey tell me what you think section. From the way this thread is going it might as well have a sticky saying " NO low end armor or noobs need apply." The guy simply is trying to sell armor, granted it is probably overpriced and the finish leaves something to be desired, but there is a line between giving advice and attacking someone. What if a put my A/B Helm up for sale here for a $50 after getting my new one should I expect to be laughed off the forum?

Why dont you all give him an idea of what he can realistically expect price wise as it sits with the swirly finish? Maybe it might be better to peice it out for him? Then he can decide if its worth the time to buff it all out shiney and get more money, or sell it as is for less to someone who doesnt care about the finish. Seems that might be more a more practical approch

JMO tho and what do I know?

Carry on!