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Greetings, All. I am currently searching for an armor merchant that makes a decent pair of splinted legs. If you can send along a URL or an email address with some details I would very much appreciate it.

Please don't bother to mention Ice Falcon to me. I didn't like him before, but when he refused to even discuss armor with a female friend because "women shouldn't be allowed to fight . . ." was the last straw. Ok, rant over.

Mad Matt makes some nice looking splinted legs.

http://www.geocities.com/madmattsarmory/

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--Edric--
edric@edricsrose.com
http://www.edricsrose.com

Flos est puellarum, quam diligio, et rosa rosarum, quam sepe video.
"My love is a flower among virgins, and a rose among roses"

I wound up making my own with a lot of help from WHite Mountain Armoury. I bought a pair of splinted arms from him and highly reccomend Adam's work. Not only is his stuff great, but he is one of the best and easiest people to deal with.

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Forged from Black Wind, Fire, and Steel!

Greetings vonbaden! You can get splinted legs from me, fully strapped with stainless articulated knees starting at $190. www.valhallaleather.com



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Ivar Bloodhand, Norsetrader Arms

"water m'lord? gator-ade
m'lord? Bucket of fried chicken m'lord?"

I made some a while back for a lady fighter here in Ansteorra. I don't have time to make any, but if you're interested in doing them yourself, or know someone locally that could help I can send you some patterns and instructions. The ones I made along with the matching arms are at:
http://www.100megsfree3.com/kragaxe/armourpics/Armour.html
Legs are at bottom of page, arms are about halfway down page.
Both are leather splinted with splints on inside and single cop elbow/knee.

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Krag von Berghen
KragAxe Armoury

Member's Pics

I got mine from Weslig Sterne. I havn`t had a chance to fight in them yet as I`m waiting on other armor, but overall they are very nice. They have a three lame articulated knee, and I was expecting five lame, but it is the best three lame I have seen and will do a fine job. If I was to voice any misgivings it would be that I would like the splints to come down closer to the knee as with the existing gap, the wieght of the cuisses causes a bit of a sag between the bottem of the splints and the uppermost lame on the knees. I also would have built them to wrap around a bit farther. Other than that, they are very nice, good articulation, heavy leather, heavy splints, and I expect them to serve Me very well.
Good luck
John

Did Ice Falcon really say that about women fighting? Perhaps that explains why I was blatantly ignored when I was shopping for legs and a shield blank this Pennsic. *shrug*



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Leah of Newcastle
Man-at-Arms to Syr Malcolm MacEoghainn

Yup, he really said it.

Thanks for your responses everyone. I hadn't seen most of these links yet and they've given me serious food for thought. Don't think that I don't need any more links, however. I'd rather suffer from information overload than a deficit, so keep them coming. .

Well here's the link to the main part of my site since you wanted more links.

Thanks for the plug Edric.

From what I know WMA, krag and Westlig stjerne to good work and are honest. I'm not saying that's not true of Ivar just that I either haven't dealt with him or seen him brought up in a positive light. Never seen anything negative about him though.

I'd also like to mention that everything I make is custom. So if you want something different then what's pictured that's fine. Also it'll be sized to fit you. Not that that isn't true with the others. Just that it definitly is with me.

Biggest suggestion is to post on the archive asking for opinions of the work and trustworthieness of whoever you decide on BEFORE you actually buy.

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The budding mid 14th century German Transitional guy.
Mad Matt's Armory

Are you sure we are talking about THIS Icefalcon? I do not usually mistreat or ignore, anyone... Although I have stated my opinions concerning women and fighting; they have NEVER been derogatory. I am just old fashioned and am uncomfortable hitting a woman, even in sport. This does not change the fact that I will train or armor ANY woman who ask for help. I encourage you to talk to me directly concerning this. I hope you find the time to learn more about me, so you do not perpetuate this false rumor.

P.S.- I would never turn anyone away from buying my armor. That is just bad business..

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Sir Andreas Eisfalke - Count- Kingdom of the East

www.icefalcon.com

"The beatings will continue until morale improves..."

P.S.- I would never turn anyone away from buying my armor. That is just bad business.

It's been said that an item will always look good on you if you ask the merchant.

-+G

Greetings,
I have worked with Andre (Icefalcon) since he joined the SCA and I have NEVER heard him do anything like that. I have helped him with many pieces for females and he completes them with the same professionalism that does with all of his orders. I have never seen him treat anyone this way, he wants your business no matter who you are. I have also seen female fighters at his practices including one no one else wanted treated with the same reguard as everyone else. This is NOT a forum for slamming on people. If you have a problem with someone, talk to them instead of hiding behind your computer.
Ronald

Ohboy.

I have a set of splinted legs from Alail Horsefriend. Look for a post of his and email him about making you a pair. Mine fit like a glove, feel great, and look very much like the cuisses/poleyns worn by Edward III in "Armies of Crecy and Poitier". I recommend Alail highly!

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Emm aye sea kayee why. Emm ohyou essee.

You see what happens Ice????
You miss all the REAL FUN parties after hours and now people think your a misogynist....

*sigh*

He really is a decent guy !!!
and unless you heard him utter that first hand I would apoligize and explain your position personally to him....



[This message has been edited by sarnac (edited 10-09-2001).]

Well, I don't much care for people calling me coward for all intents and purposes, BUT I will confess that it was foolish to have even mentioned it in this venue. I apologize for having mentioned it.

Do I still believe what the young lady told me? Certainly I do, but it shouldn't have been brought up here and not by me. Oh, well.

Good gentles,

I have bought armor from Sir Andreas, fought against him and fought on the same side as him. My unit has a female commander and I have seen him treat her with nothing but respect on the field.

As a somewhat "old fashioned" male myself, I can understand his feelings about not wanting to hit a woman, even in sport. But this is a far cry from saying they shouldn't participate or shouldn't buy armor. My own lady has just begun fighting and I worry about her all the time, but I would never dream of telling her not to fight.

Stefek Olszewski

Greetings,
This is what I hate the most about these sites is that it gives people a chance to ruin the reputation of others based on rumor. Von Baden, did you ask this woman if it was Andre or maybe one of his guys, if it was one of his guys that did this I know that they will be dealt with harshly. Could it have been that maybe she came at a bad time for instance, maybe he had several other people needing to talk to him at the same time and could not deal with her at that moment. GET THE FACTS.
Ronald

Hearsay is not admissible as evidence.
-Vitus

Hello all,

I thought I should make a small correction to Muttman's/John's comment about our splinted legs. John is mistaken when he calls our knees "3 lame".

John, if you look closely, you'll see that the top and bottom pieces are both part of the articulation of the leg. The top lame is identical to our 5-piece articulated knee, while the bottom lame is slightly larger and acts as the demi-greave. But all 5 pieces are part of the articulation of the joint. That's why they articulate so well. If they were 3-piece style, they wouldn't work very well at all. On your second concern, we extend the splints as far down toward the top lame as is practical without risking them binding up or interfering with the lame. As far as the leg coverage goes, the leather is the same size as the cuisse/wrap plate combo on our steel legs. They aren't designed to fully cover the thigh and could be called 3/4 legs.

Glad you like them otherwise - hope they work as well for you as they have for other folks. If you want to increase your thigh coverage, it's pretty easy to add on some additional leather.

Olaf

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Olaf Skalle Krossar
Chieftain
The Armory of Westlig Stjerne
www.armourworks.com
thefolks@armourworks.com

Olaf,
I pulled them out and checked them out as soon as I read your post, and you are 100 percent correct about the articulation. My bad and My most humble apologies. On the splint length issue, I get a spot where the cuisses with the splints sag between the lower end of the splints and the upper part of the top lame do to a lack of support on the leather (which is a good, stiff leather BTW, no complaints there.) Its not a huge deal, but it does seem to effect the fit some.Any suggestions on how I can prevent this? I would greatly apreciate it.
On the third point, I would make them wrap around a bit more. Though I rarely get hit in the back of the legs, I like something there when I do. This is a fairly easily remedied situation, however they wrap around enough to where it isn`t worth it to add another piece to the end. I`m only about two or three inches from where I like them.
Don`t get Me wrong. I am VERY happy with them overall. There were just a couple of minor things I felt I should point out to someone I was recomending them to, and I was recomending them. I tend to be very particular about some things, and there are things that will drive Me nuts that many folks would not notice. The sagging thing is definitly one of those seeing as most folks I have talked to tell Me its an inherent problem with splinted legs and they deal with it. I can tell however that the fit would be much more comfortable if this problem was corrected so I am trying to figure out how to fix it without ruining My nice new legs.
BTW, I also love the shoulders and steel grieves I got from you at the same time.
John
P.S. I want to add that the people at Westlig Stjerne were very nice and helpfull. I was really bugging them to get My order to Me in time for an event I wanted to make on 9-15, and they got it to Me in time. They answered all My questions and never once hinted for Me to stop bugging them (which I`m sure I was). The only reason I havn`t fought in them yet is I am still waiting for other armor from another person who was unable to get it to Me do largly to events of 9-11.

[This message has been edited by muttman (edited 10-10-2001).]

Heya, John...

No apology necessary - and for ideas on the splint sag, let me give it some thought. Maybe we can fiddle with some 'fixes' here and come up with something to solve it.

We appreciate both your recommendation and your comments. Honest critique and constructive criticism are always welcome - it's a good way for us to figure out how to improve our armor and do a better job for our customers.

We'll email you later with what we come up with on the splint sag...meantime, hope you get the rest of your stuff soon and get to fight in it all together.

Olaf

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Olaf Skalle Krossar
Chieftain
The Armory of Westlig Stjerne
www.armourworks.com
thefolks@armourworks.com