Long sleeved gown set

Black Swan Designs · Post by **Black Swan Designs** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:22 am

Long sleeved 15th C. gown set

The recent paper Ã¢â‚¬Å“Will the Real 15th C. Sleeve Please Stand UpÃ¢â‚¬Â

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:27 am

That looks absolutely fantastic. YAY!

Jeff J · Post by **Jeff J** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:58 am

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:13 am

Looks great! Looks exactly like that image.

The offer still stands, if you want to link to my paper, feel free. When I have an updated version (it might be a while) I can send you the new link.

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:17 am

I don't know, Jeff, you could always leave some of the buttons unbuttoned :wink:

UberFist · Post by **UberFist** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:47 am

Just for the sake of asking, what would have been appropriate to wear for undergarments with this?

Primvs Pavlvs · Post by **Primvs Pavlvs** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:21 pm

Lloyd wrote:I don't know, Jeff, you could always leave some of the buttons unbuttoned

This sounds like something Wolf would wish for!

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:46 pm

Edited - OT. Sorry!

Jeff J · Post by **Jeff J** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:09 pm

UberFist wrote:Just for the sake of asking, what would have been appropriate to wear for undergarments with this?

This chemise/smock (also available from HE) And nothing else. No bra, no undies. :twisted:

: [img]http://www.historicenterprises.com/images/products/big/197_large.jpg[/img]

Jeff J · Post by **Jeff J** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:18 pm

snip - OT for classifieds

Thaddeus · Post by **Thaddeus** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:22 pm

Gwen does that carbon dating hold for all of what we tend to think of as the Herjolfsnes garments? Such that we (the collective reenactment community) has been wrongly thinking ourselves properly dressed 14th century folk.

Wish I had the money Erika would love that set.

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:33 pm

Jeff J wrote:
UberFist wrote:Just for the sake of asking, what would have been appropriate to wear for undergarments with this?

This chemise/smock (also available from HE) And nothing else. No bra, no undies. :

I count stockings as undergarments. So a pair of nice knee-high stockings would be appropriate.

Black Swan Designs · Post by **Black Swan Designs** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:51 pm

Wow- try to get some work done and I miss all the excitement!

LetÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s see if I can address the questions in order:

Uberfist:
Smock (which is included with the set), stockings, garters. As for the subject of panties/knickers, last week a gal in the UK sent me a fascinating bit of information which I have not had the time to follow up on:

"...an excerpt from the court record of a rape trial in mid-fourteenth-century Paris, in which the plaintiff stated that the accused la jeta ÃƒÂ terre et avala ses braies (threw her to the ground and pulled down her knickers). Apparently no special comment was made about this, so presumably the court found it perfectly normal for the 12-year-old plaintiff to have been wearing braies....the fact that the accused had needed to pull the braies down rather suggests that they werenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a split-crotch type....Ã¢â‚¬Â

MelanieC · Post by **MelanieC** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:16 pm

[quote="Black Swan Designs"]
"...an excerpt from the court record of a rape trial in mid-fourteenth-century Paris, in which the plaintiff stated that the accused la jeta ÃƒÂ terre et avala ses braies (threw her to the ground and pulled down her knickers). Apparently no special comment was made about this, so presumably the court found it perfectly normal for the 12-year-old plaintiff to have been wearing braies....the fact that the accused had needed to pull the braies down rather suggests that they werenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a split-crotch type....Ã¢â‚¬Â

AZPapillion · Post by **AZPapillion** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:38 pm

[quote="MelanieC"][quote="Black Swan Designs"]
"...an excerpt from the court record of a rape trial in mid-fourteenth-century Paris, in which the plaintiff stated that the accused la jeta ÃƒÂ terre et avala ses braies (threw her to the ground and pulled down her knickers). Apparently no special comment was made about this, so presumably the court found it perfectly normal for the 12-year-old plaintiff to have been wearing braies....the fact that the accused had needed to pull the braies down rather suggests that they werenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t a split-crotch type....Ã¢â‚¬Â

Thaddeus · Post by **Thaddeus** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:40 pm

Hmm, good things to consider, thanks for the information Gwen.

I'll save my pennies!

Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:55 pm

MelanieC wrote:
OOOOH! Finally documentation of women's undies that isn't a satire of a hen-pecked husband.

heheh you never say anything about undies when its just you and me, ah and scott and dianna's not around

wink wink HAHAHAHA jkjk hehehe

looks good gwen

Black Swan Designs · Post by **Black Swan Designs** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:07 pm

OK, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve been reading while scarfing down my lunch salad.

HereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the bit about radiocarbon dating from the Herjolfsnes find as quoted from [b]Ã¢â‚¬Â

Charlotte J · Post by **Charlotte J** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:12 am

Considering that no two extant garments are cut exactly alike, I think it's a great idea to consider if it gives the "right" look, then proceed ahead.

Gwen, this is some great info, esp. the undies reference. The connection with the henpecked husband images I find especially intruiging. You should post it over in HR or IC.