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Gentles All,

Time for the XXth century to leave room for the XVth....

For sale please consider this L1A1 British rifle, built on a kit of British Parts and a Brazilian IMBEL receiver. (legacy of the now defunct for three years 1994 weapons law). Because of this fact, this weapon will accept both metric and inch pattern mags (Included!!!)

The L1a1 SLR is the British version of the Belgian FN-FAL gas operated battle rifle in 7.62 NATO (or .308 Win).
This rifle was fitted with lots of US parts before the law expired, so it has the original British configuration as opposed to the thumbhole. Condition is VG to excellent. Little (natural) rattle in a nice, tight and
elegant looking gun.

My photos are too big for the forum, but here is a similar rifle. I will email directly photos to anyone who expresses interest.

Rifle
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/L1A1.htm
(rifle offered is identical except that the flash hider was removed by law, and the receiver is IMBEL, as the US did not allow importation of the originals fully assembled)

sight picture:
http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/slr.html

A bunch of working magazines, some old some brand new is included.

I am asking $550 firm plus shippping (which should be about $25). I will only ship to an FFL. Please ensure your local laws allow you to buy this weapon, and that you are not prevented by law to own a firearm before buying.

Nothing wrong with it, just not shooting it.

I am selling it to buy a period tent.

Thanks!

Rowan

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It seems I cannot even spell RIFLE....

Rowan of Needwood wrote:Gentles All,

Time for the XXth century to leave room for the XVth....

For sale please consider this L1A1 British rifle, built on a kit of British Parts and a Brazilian IMBEL receiver. (legacy of the now defunct for three years 1994 weapons law). Because of this fact, this weapon will accept both metric and inch pattern mags (Included!!!)

The L1a1 SLR is the British version of the Belgian FN-FAL gas operated battle rifle in 7.62 NATO (or .308 Win).
This rifle was fitted with lots of US parts before the law expired, so it has the original British configuration as opposed to the thumbhole. Condition is VG to excellent. Little (natural) rattle in a nice, tight and
elegant looking gun.

My photos are too big for the forum, but here is a similar rifle. I will email directly photos to anyone who expresses interest.

Rifle
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/L1A1.htm
(rifle offered is identical except that the flash hider was removed by law, and the receiver is IMBEL, as the US did not allow importation of the originals fully assembled)

sight picture:
http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/slr.html

A bunch of working magazines, some old some brand new is included.

I am asking $550 firm plus shippping (which should be about $25). I will only ship to an FFL. Please ensure your local laws allow you to buy this weapon, and that you are not prevented by law to own a firearm before buying.

Nothing wrong with it, just not shooting it.

I am selling it to buy a period tent.

Thanks!

Rowan

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I am interested. Could I please see more pics to TheWarlord@cfl.rr.com

I also have a good friend who has a C&R Firearms licence. Is sufficient? If not I can have it sent to a local dealer I buy from as well. Its just they charge $25.00 transfer.

C&R would not qualify as it is not a Curio&Relic. It is too modern for that.

I used to have one of these

it was a nice gun

My second fave 7.62 Nato rifel

hey murd, 7.62 I remember that from our old FN A1 C1,C2

I had that one,

I had a Springfield knock off of an Hk-91 and a Galil ARM with the bipod and everything.

I was Sssssoooooooo freakin stupid too sell em.

But thanks to that idiot Clinton i got twice what i paid for most of em.



Still i wish i'd kept the Galil it was so bad ass, The L1Al was a close 2nd. I didn't like the stock on the Hk.

I will take it if it has not been spoken for. Provided it is a functioning weapon and not a deactivated gun like in the link

I have a local FFL ready to go so just let me know

I would like to say that I am no longer in the market for this. And if my wife reads this I love you and was merely looking at this for a good friend of mine who wanted to know more about it.

If Johann falls through, put me up next.

Wow! $550 seems really cheap! Or have guns gone down that much since the post-Brady days? I'm getting a new tent too, pr else I'd be on top of it.

Halfdan, the gun-toting liberal.

No,

That is roughly what I paid for it and I am trying to be fair.


Rowan

Halfdan wrote:Wow! $550 seems really cheap! Or have guns gone down that much since the post-Brady days? I'm getting a new tent too, pr else I'd be on top of it.

Halfdan, the gun-toting liberal.

It is a good price. One I am glad to pay if Rowan says I'm next now that Stephen has stepped out. I have wanted a real one since I had one in G.I. JOE scale

Glad a little voice told me to check the classifieds today GO JOE!

The Battle Rifle of the Free World is a cool gun.

My Father fought in Rhodesia (yes im old) and if he could have married his FAL he would have! Man the stories that he tells. Of course he waited till I was in the Marines to tell me these stories and I am glad he did. My heart and stomach at a younger age might not have taken it.

Guys,

If you keep like this I am gonna have to retract the offer!!! LOL (nah)

It IS a good gun, but it is just taking up space in my safe, and (Please forgive me!) I am more of a Mauser guy, or AK for modern stuff.

And the L1A1 will give up its space to a 12 foot round tent from Midwest..., so it is ok.

Rowan

Stephen wrote:My Father fought in Rhodesia (yes im old) and if he could have married his FAL he would have! Man the stories that he tells. Of course he waited till I was in the Marines to tell me these stories and I am glad he did. My heart and stomach at a younger age might not have taken it.

If I didn't live in kalifornaiya I'd trade you my 12' pavillion for it gladly.

I understand,

but perhaps this will bring you some perspective.

My latest shooting phase has been blackpowder, which I started some 4 years ago. With my best flintlock, I can hit consistently center mass on a silouette target at 100 yards, and easily in the black at 50. And I ain't that good.

A good bolt action rifle in the hands of a decent shot can outshoot an sks. My favorite bolt rifles are two Israeli versions of Mauser 98k and VZ 24 converted to .308 when the ISraelis transitioned to their version of the FN-FAL. Those and a GOOD Enfield #MkI are very handy and hard hitting. Firepower is rounds that HIT. I remember reading the accounts of the 93 operation in Somalia, and how the Delta guys were praising the "obsolete" M14 as opposed to the M16 family.

It has been suggested that the best rifle ever issued to US troops is the M1917 Enfield in 30-06. I am not a man of absolutes, but that has to be close to the truth. Sexy? maybe not, but by George, you'll be well armed.

Now down from the soap box.

Rowan
PS: at least you don't have to shovel snow

LeeC wrote:If I didn't live in kalifornaiya I'd trade you my 12' pavillion for it gladly.

Rowan of Needwood wrote:I understand,

It has been suggested that the best rifle ever issued to US troops is the M1917 Enfield in 30-06. I am not a man of absolutes, but that has to be close to the truth. Sexy? maybe not, but by George, you'll be well armed.

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Close! I'd say it was the SMLE MkIII*'s that were issued to the 91st Division in Flanders in 1918, but the good old M1917 is a pretty close second, and the SMLE of course was never an "issue" weapon in any event. The M1917 is one heck of a good gun, and mine lives next to my M1903 in the gun safe (which is next to my SMLE ) High on the list of "things to grab" if things go down hill fast.

The L1A1 you're selling is also a fine weapon, I had one for a while and it's just dandy. And frankly, I'm really not sure why I traded it off, other than the fact that I got the coolest South African-made double-barreled percussion muzzle-loading combination gun, from about 1840 or so for it. 20gaX.62cal, sighted to 100 yards with the rifle barrel, same sight picture hits with the smooth barrel (loaded with the same charge and ball) at 50 yards. Gorgeous wood with a sliding patchbox and baobab trees engraved on the lockplates, it's a "Rifle á Tige", with a post in the center of the breech plug of the rifled barrel sticking into the chamber to expand the ball into the rifling. I call it my "Lion Gun", and it was just too cool a gun to pass up!

Cheers!

Gordon

Rowan of Needwood wrote:It has been suggested that the best rifle ever issued to US troops is the M1917 Enfield in 30-06. I am not a man of absolutes, but that has to be close to the truth. Sexy? maybe not, but by George, you'll be well armed.

By "George"... that would be the M1 Grand.

"The greatest implement of battle ever devised."General George S. Patton

Gordon, you're slipping. You should have nailed that.

True,

But:

1) It uses the same cartridge as the M1917
2) It uses the same sight system (peep plus thick blade between two "ears" flaring outward) , introduced with the M1917 and standard as iron sights in virtually every US military rifle, INCLUDING the M1 carbine, and still strong with the M16 family.
3) It can shoot with no clips and has no gas system to worry about.

I dunno..... for an individual (as opposed to a member of a fire squad, it still seems like a strong choice)

For the record, my ideal modern rifle would be a 7.62 NATO short barreled Galil. Best of both worlds.

Rowan

David Teague wrote:

Rowan of Needwood wrote:It has been suggested that the best rifle ever issued to US troops is the M1917 Enfield in 30-06. I am not a man of absolutes, but that has to be close to the truth. Sexy? maybe not, but by George, you'll be well armed.

By "George"... that would be the M1 Grand.

"The greatest implement of battle ever devised."General George S. Patton

Gordon, you're slipping. You should have nailed that.

Rowan of Needwood wrote:True,

But:

1) It uses the same cartridge as the M1917
2) It uses the same sight system (peep plus thick blade between two "ears" flaring outward) , introduced with the M1917 and standard as iron sights in virtually every US military rifle, INCLUDING the M1 carbine, and still strong with the M16 family.
3) It can shoot with no clips and has no gas system to worry about.

I dunno..... for an individual (as opposed to a member of a fire squad, it still seems like a strong choice)

For the record, my ideal modern rifle would be a 7.62 NATO short barreled Galil. Best of both worlds.

Rowan

David Teague wrote:

Rowan of Needwood wrote:It has been suggested that the best rifle ever issued to US troops is the M1917 Enfield in 30-06. I am not a man of absolutes, but that has to be close to the truth. Sexy? maybe not, but by George, you'll be well armed.

By "George"... that would be the M1 Grand.

"The greatest implement of battle ever devised."General George S. Patton

Gordon, you're slipping. You should have nailed that.

It was a word play... I keyed on the By George...

Well and a very famous quote.

The Hakim is a pretty nice rifle and the 8mm is plentiful and cheap and oh yeah a good killing round. Not for the little guy though.

David Teague wrote:
Gordon, you're slipping. You should have nailed that.

Well, perhaps, but I've never had a Garand that was both accurate AND reliable. One or the other it seems. And I was just checking in on Springfield Armoury Inc.'s M1's, and they "Guarantee" an out-of-the-box accuracy of 7.5 MOA. ! Heck, I can do that with my matchlock musket! Yikes! Anyway, the M1 is a fine weapon, no question, and yes, good old George did say so, I have to admit. But unless it has some serious work done to it, they ain't exactly an '03, or a '17, in accuracy...

On the other hand, the M14/M1A IS accurate as all get, so no arguments there. All that banging around on the muzzle-end of things on the old Garand is just a bit too much to keep the old M2 Ball on target at 500 yards, though the round will certainly do the trick at that or 1,000.

Anyway... I'm sure that everyone's milage may vary on this one, but I sure do like the old SMLE's. It IS an American design, after all...

Cheers! And good hearing from you, David!

Gordon

You are right, I forgot!

But ony 1/2 American (there is an "Enfield" part in LEE-Enfield after all.....)

I LOVE my N0. 4Mk1 (F 1948, with South African arrow markings), and I believe the SMLE came to age, so to speak, with the beautiful peep sight attached to the intermediate III Mark V and then standard in the IV (or No. 4) In the right hands, it may be far better than some modern rifles...

Rowan

Rittmeister Frye wrote:

David Teague wrote:
Gordon, you're slipping. You should have nailed that.

Well, perhaps, but I've never had a Garand that was both accurate AND reliable. One or the other it seems. And I was just checking in on Springfield Armoury Inc.'s M1's, and they "Guarantee" an out-of-the-box accuracy of 7.5 MOA. ! Heck, I can do that with my matchlock musket! Yikes! Anyway, the M1 is a fine weapon, no question, and yes, good old George did say so, I have to admit. But unless it has some serious work done to it, they ain't exactly an '03, or a '17, in accuracy...

On the other hand, the M14/M1A IS accurate as all get, so no arguments there. All that banging around on the muzzle-end of things on the old Garand is just a bit too much to keep the old M2 Ball on target at 500 yards, though the round will certainly do the trick at that or 1,000.

Anyway... I'm sure that everyone's milage may vary on this one, but I sure do like the old SMLE's. It IS an American design, after all...

Cheers! And good hearing from you, David!

Gordon

Rowan of Needwood wrote:You are right, I forgot!

But ony 1/2 American (there is an "Enfield" part in LEE-Enfield after all.....)

I LOVE my N0. 4Mk1 (F 1948, with South African arrow markings), and I believe the SMLE came to age, so to speak, with the beautiful peep sight attached to the intermediate III Mark V and then standard in the IV (or No. 4) In the right hands, it may be far better than some modern rifles...

Rowan

True enough! But the Enfield part is just the rifling.

Those SMLE Mk IV's ARE about the zenith of the rifle's development, I have to admit. The No.4's are good guns, but just not quite as nice as the old SMLE's. Although the spike bayonet is probably a more intelligent design in the long run.

Cheers!

Gordon

The rifle is sold pending payment and arrangement of FFL requirements

Thanks to all that posted!! (It is fun to realize the friends here share other of my interests as well.)


Rowan

Rowan of Needwood wrote:Gentles All,

Time for the XXth century to leave room for the XVth....

For sale please consider this L1A1 British rifle, built on a kit of British Parts and a Brazilian IMBEL receiver. (legacy of the now defunct for three years 1994 weapons law). Because of this fact, this weapon will accept both metric and inch pattern mags (Included!!!)

The L1a1 SLR is the British version of the Belgian FN-FAL gas operated battle rifle in 7.62 NATO (or .308 Win).
This rifle was fitted with lots of US parts before the law expired, so it has the original British configuration as opposed to the thumbhole. Condition is VG to excellent. Little (natural) rattle in a nice, tight and
elegant looking gun.

My photos are too big for the forum, but here is a similar rifle. I will email directly photos to anyone who expresses interest.

Rifle
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/detail/L1A1.htm
(rifle offered is identical except that the flash hider was removed by law, and the receiver is IMBEL, as the US did not allow importation of the originals fully assembled)

sight picture:
http://www.gunpics.net/ironsights/slr.html

A bunch of working magazines, some old some brand new is included.

I am asking $550 firm plus shippping (which should be about $25). I will only ship to an FFL. Please ensure your local laws allow you to buy this weapon, and that you are not prevented by law to own a firearm before buying.

Nothing wrong with it, just not shooting it.

I am selling it to buy a period tent.

Thanks!

Rowan

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