So I bought my dream helm from Wild Armoury; M.Suprovich here on the archive. It was beautifull: great workmanship, nice lines, interchangable faceplates, built like a tank, everything I wanted in a helm. The only problem is it doesn't fit. The ad he posted said it would fit a 23.6'' - 25.2''
head and my head is 24" at the brow line. I would say that this would fit a 25-26" head; or maybe a little smaller with more padding. The main problem is it is too short, my chin is level with the bottom bar of the grill.
I had this helm checked out by several marshals and a couple of knights and it should have no problem passing SCA armour inspection. It is just too big around and too short for my oddly shaped head.
Would like to get my $500 US back or may be willing to trade for other middle eastern armour.
"A man who does not attack evil defends good but half-way."
Robert Schumann
kclayton wrote:In general, cultures which promote learning and admire intelligence generate teachers.
In general, cultures which look down on those things, do not.
I would try padding the areas that feel the loose around your brim line. Is it loose front to back? Side to side? Symmetrically pad those loose areas with another 1/4 or 1/2 inch of foam.
From where the face guard sits on your chin line It looks like a decent fit. Your gorget should protect your neck, not your visor.
The only way the grill covers low enough is if it sits so low that it obscures my vision. If you look at the picture, my eyes are about half covered by the brim of the helm. This helm is almost exactly the same size as my current helm, which I have been trying to replace because it fits so poorly I have trouble getting it it pass armour inspection.
"A man who does not attack evil defends good but half-way."
Robert Schumann
kclayton wrote:In general, cultures which promote learning and admire intelligence generate teachers.
In general, cultures which look down on those things, do not.
Quote: "Nissan Maxima"
(on Pennsic) I know that movie. It is the 13th warrior. A bunch of guys in armour that doesn't match itself or anybody elses, go on a trip and argue and get drunk and get laid and then fight Tuchux.
Paul the Small wrote:Would like to get my $500 US back or may be willing to trade for other middle eastern armour.
Awww.... crap. I've got a 23" noggin, and that's my perfect helm if I ever come out to the SCA if the lelekvas is movable/removable. Only gear I've got to trade, though, would be a persian-style banded lamellar (don't have buxx).
(I have metal plates sitting about, though, I could make you an brigandined caftan if you were interested, and felt-line the inside of it. Slightly turkic, but then, so's the helm)
InsaneIrish wrote:can we get a profile shot of it on your head?
Lots of pictures of me wearing the helm. Most of these were to show the hugeness of the helm. The only profile shot is with the helm rocked forward (the chinstrap isn't at the right angle for SCA use.)
"A man who does not attack evil defends good but half-way."
Robert Schumann
kclayton wrote:In general, cultures which promote learning and admire intelligence generate teachers.
In general, cultures which look down on those things, do not.
You know... I don't know if the shortness is an SCA disqualifier, but have you thought of putting in a felt inner-helmet along with your liner? That's pretty traditional, and all you'd have to do to fix the width issue is make sure it's stout at the brow line.
I've seen and felt of this helm at practice the other day and my ovs were this:
Beautiful helm and nice lines
Built like a tank! Your noggin would be well kept! But it is actually too big for Paul. Several of us thought and thought on ways to make it fit for Paul, but nothing we could come up with was really worth it, besides selling it to a fellow with a larger melon.
This is a really cool helm and someone that could fit it would be getting a supurb helm, plus the two face plates makes it really cool!
Bruhn Engbrecht wrote:made out of 10 guage mild? dam that thing is a beast.
how heavy is it?
How heavy? Damn heavy! It's a beast in the best kind of way. I don't think you would have to worry about dents. I need to sell it so I can have the exact same helm made again, but this time so it fits.
"A man who does not attack evil defends good but half-way."
Robert Schumann
kclayton wrote:In general, cultures which promote learning and admire intelligence generate teachers.
In general, cultures which look down on those things, do not.
That helmet was inspected and passed as legal? The plate that acts as the brim of that helm can easy go through some ones grill and maim/blind people...
Michael Der Recke wrote:That helmet was inspected and passed as legal? The plate that acts as the brim of that helm can easy go through some ones grill and maim/blind people...
So can aluminum shields. Nobody else said anything about it, and in truth I didn't think of it myself.
"A man who does not attack evil defends good but half-way."
Robert Schumann
kclayton wrote:In general, cultures which promote learning and admire intelligence generate teachers.
In general, cultures which look down on those things, do not.
Shields are required to have an edging material to prevent that.
More so then that shield edges generally run verticaly compared to most bar grils horizontal bars. Imagine in a large line engagement. That blade sticking out of that helm runs parallel to the slots in a bar grill and is right at eye level. Especially in bridge and large press situations where you can sometimes not help but be pressed right up against the opposing side.
Just offering my opinion before you spend another 500$ on a helm that might harm some one. I personally would never fight in a helmet that could potentially harm some one due the giant pointed blade sticking out at eye level.
Michael Der Recke wrote:That helmet was inspected and passed as legal? The plate that acts as the brim of that helm can easy go through some ones grill and maim/blind people...
Actually no.
1. IF the grill is made correctly then there must be vertical bars as well as horizontal. So, the gaps would not be big enough to allow a brim through.
2. Even IF the brim were to penetrate (which would mean that you were head butting people and that is in itself illegal) It would STILL need to penetrate PAST the allowed penetration depth (I think it is 1/4 of an inch)
3. Shield edging of 1.25" is NOT a society wide rule. It may be in your kingdom, but not so in all kingdoms.
Insane Irish
Quote: "Nissan Maxima"
(on Pennsic) I know that movie. It is the 13th warrior. A bunch of guys in armour that doesn't match itself or anybody elses, go on a trip and argue and get drunk and get laid and then fight Tuchux.
I'm really looking for an argument, just figured I'd point out something that I noticed to perhaps save some one physical harm.
The shield edging was not my point, nor do I care about shield edges because like I said if you consider the manner in which they are handled its not as plausible.
Insane, scroll back up and look at the helmet in question here. I realize that helmets also have vertical bars in their construction. I guess I shouldn't have been so vague. You'll notice there is the center vertical support and the edges of the grill. No interment vertical bars. Look how long of a distance that is this way |----------------|------------------|. You can't tell me that you feel its o.k. that this helm has a pointed blade attached to it just above eye level that will easily fit between those vertical supports.
Also like I said when you can't help but be crushed up against the opposing side, nothing to do with head butting people. That is after all why they are called accidents not imeanttodoits.
Has anyone who looked at this helm bothered to stick that visor into the grill of a few helmets and measure penetration?
In short if you want to get into an argument over what is acceptable via the letter of the law even though its presents a clear danger to fellow participants that's an individuals prerogative. Its just not mine. If I met a person on the field with such a helmet I would happily walk off. I do not really think greater then normal risk of blindness or other such horrible injury to my fellow player is worth it.
Michael Der Recke wrote:In short if you want to get into an argument over what is acceptable via the letter of the law even though its presents a clear danger to fellow participants that's an individuals prerogative. Its just not mine. If I met a person on the field with such a helmet I would happily walk off. I do not really think greater then normal risk of blindness or other such horrible injury to my fellow player is worth it.
Do you fight in melees that allowed shafted Combat Archery? If so, the percentage chance of you being hit in the eye and injured is FAR greater than the chance of you get "eye slotted" with a overly long brim from a helmet.
I understand your point, I just think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Personally there are other greater issues with that helm that I could see making it fail inspection, other than a long brim.
Insane Irish
Quote: "Nissan Maxima"
(on Pennsic) I know that movie. It is the 13th warrior. A bunch of guys in armour that doesn't match itself or anybody elses, go on a trip and argue and get drunk and get laid and then fight Tuchux.
Michael Der Recke wrote:In short if you want to get into an argument over what is acceptable via the letter of the law even though its presents a clear danger to fellow participants that's an individuals prerogative. Its just not mine. If I met a person on the field with such a helmet I would happily walk off. I do not really think greater then normal risk of blindness or other such horrible injury to my fellow player is worth it.
Do you fight in melees that allowed shafted Combat Archery? If so, the percentage chance of you being hit in the eye and injured is FAR greater than the chance of you get "eye slotted" with a overly long brim from a helmet.
I understand your point, I just think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Personally there are other greater issues with that helm that I could see making it fail inspection, other than a long brim.
O.K. to clarify: The helm did not pass inspection on me, it doesn't fit me properly. It passed on someone else who tried it on, THL Mikial al Rashid, who has a shorter neck and rounder head than me. The reason I'm selling it isn't because it is not SCA legal, it's because it doesn't fit me. For the record I'm 6'7" tall 290lbs and have a long neck and oddly shaped head.
"A man who does not attack evil defends good but half-way."
Robert Schumann
kclayton wrote:In general, cultures which promote learning and admire intelligence generate teachers.
In general, cultures which look down on those things, do not.
sean of the chipendales wrote:Holy smokes people!!!! There is nothing SCA wrong with this helm.
It is a nice helm, and no one will get hurt by the brim anymore than they would by fans on elbows and knees.
You all have just tainted a "for sale" thread.
Paul, let this thread die and start a new for sale thread with the specific measurements of this helm. Good luck in the sale. Sean of the Chipendales
Yeah, I think you're right. 12 posts besides mine and nothing about buying the helm. I guess I'll give it a few days for this thread to move down the line and repost.
"A man who does not attack evil defends good but half-way."
Robert Schumann
kclayton wrote:In general, cultures which promote learning and admire intelligence generate teachers.
In general, cultures which look down on those things, do not.
Michael Der Recke wrote:In short if you want to get into an argument over what is acceptable via the letter of the law even though its presents a clear danger to fellow participants that's an individuals prerogative. Its just not mine. If I met a person on the field with such a helmet I would happily walk off. I do not really think greater then normal risk of blindness or other such horrible injury to my fellow player is worth it.
So do you walk off anytime someone has elbow fans? Because those can easily go into a grill of someone who is dead. How about turnshoes? Those have pointy toes that can go through grills as well. Really, if you are worried about banging helms that bad, you have really gone overboard in the worry department.
Westerners, we have forgotten our origins. We speak all the diverse languages of the country in turn. Indeed the man who was poor at home attains opulence here; he who had no more than a few deiners, finds himself master of a fourtune.
