iCan you Indentify this manuscript picture?

Baron Alcyoneus · Post by **Baron Alcyoneus** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:48 pm

I thought it might be from The Lutrell Psalter, but it wasn't in my book on it. My other thought was that it might be from The Illustrated Chronicles of Matthew Paris, or one of his other works- or something contemporary with that.

Thanks, I'm asking for someone else.

^ · Post by ^ » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:12 pm

Its later then Mathew Paris. I would guess Queen Mary's Psalter but can't confirm that nor near my library to try and confirm.

Baron Alcyoneus · Post by **Baron Alcyoneus** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:37 pm

I think you are probably right, but I didn't find that specific image here:
http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminated ... tart=20207

The stag is nearly identical to
Royal 2 B VII f. 152 Hunting scene

Derian le Breton · Post by **Derian le Breton** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:50 am

Baron Alcyoneus wrote:The stag is nearly identical to
Royal 2 B VII f. 152 Hunting scene

They are quite similar similar, but they are definitely not identical.

One has a tongue, the other has a pizzle.
The tails are different.
One has a slightly longer body.
There are numerous differences in the horns.
The ears are done slightly differently.
The shape of the rump is different.
The angles of the legs are all slightly different.

-Derian.

^ · Post by ^ » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:13 pm

Derian le Breton wrote:
They are quite similar similar, but they are definitely not identical.

Thank you very much for that very literal analysis that will be of no use to anyone.

Baron Alcyoneus · Post by **Baron Alcyoneus** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:40 pm

I now realize that the ink probably came from different parts of the pot too...

Edward MacTavish · Post by **Edward MacTavish** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:45 am

I would even cast my bet that its not even the same piece of velum :shock:

. What ever is the world comming to. Cool picture though. I wish I had known of it before I had my new hunting horn commisioned. It would have made an awsome bell carving.

Edward

Kilkenny · Post by **Kilkenny** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:18 pm

Derian le Breton wrote:
Baron Alcyoneus wrote:The stag is nearly identical to
Royal 2 B VII f. 152 Hunting scene

They are quite similar similar, but they are definitely not identical.

One has a tongue, the other has a pizzle.
The tails are different.
One has a slightly longer body.
There are numerous differences in the horns.
The ears are done slightly differently.
The shape of the rump is different.
The angles of the legs are all slightly different.

-Derian.

And both have tongues.

Are we not familiar with what the phrase "nearly identical" means ?

Mac · Post by **Mac** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:13 pm

To me, the first image looks suspiciously like a modern redrawing of the picture in the Queen Mary's Psalter.

The line quality looks modern, and the lack of "pizzles" all around goes some way to support the idea of it being a copy.

Mac

Tailoress · Post by **Tailoress** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:23 pm

Alcy, where's the image from (what book did this someone else get it from)? My gut reaction to it upon first sight was that it was a re-paint, not an original done in the style of grisaille popular at that time.

As for Derian's post, man you guys are tough. One could make the point that while quite similar, those minute differences could be attributed to use of the same model book.

But my money's on Mac's thought.

Baron Alcyoneus · Post by **Baron Alcyoneus** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:06 pm

I don't know where it came from, someone on facebook I know in Calontir was trying to re-find it...

^ · Post by ^ » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:20 pm

Mac wrote:To me, the first image looks suspiciously like a modern redrawing of the picture in the Queen Mary's Psalter.

The line quality looks modern, and the lack of "pizzles" all around goes some way to support the idea of it being a copy.

It is I found it on Google Books but i don't remember what book it was in.