Never gonna do it without the fez on

[Ernst]

I'm looking for more examples of the late-12th, early-13th century "fez" helmet (or maybe they're just milk pails).

Life of St. Guthlac, BL Harley Roll Y 6 2r, 1175-1215
http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.asp ... _y_6_f002r

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Gospelbook of Henry the Lion, HAB Cod. Guelf. 105 Noviss. 2°, c. 1188
http://diglib.hab.de/mss/105-noviss-2f/max/016r.jpg

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[Ernst]

Gospelbook of Henry the Lion, HAB Cod. Guelf. 105 Noviss. 2°, c. 1188

http://diglib.hab.de/mss/105-noviss-2f/max/074v.jpg

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http://diglib.hab.de/mss/105-noviss-2f/max/172v.jpg

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(Not me- found this online)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nzIrom9n888/U ... ad+002.jpg

[Ernst]

Perhaps another:

http://manuscriptminiatures.com/5507/18902/
Annals of Genoa, BNF Latin 10136 (A), c.1200

[Konstantin the Red]

I should think just chasing down "pothelm eleventh century" refs should do her. 'Course, you also get every other variety of pot from gumdrop to inflated conical to all the saltshakers.

[Ernst]

Generally we see conical, hemispherical, and Phrygian, but these are different in having a flat top, but still no face mask.

[Konstantin the Red]

Erngh. Shoulda said "twelfth century."

[Christophe de Frisselle]

http://goo.gl/yLpe1Z

Early 12th Century , Count of Flanders.

[Ernst]

http://goo.gl/yLpe1Z

Early 12th Century , Count of Flanders.

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/3471/2919/

Source
Sandford, Francis. 1677. A genealogical history of the kings of England. London: Thomas Newcomb

Unfortunately, the effigy of William Clito, Count of Flanders, is now lost. I'm not sure this isn't another example of a fluted, hemispheric bowl. I'm fairly certain that the effigy is early 13th century in date, as I have previously noted on My Armoury.

An earlier drawing from 1641 of the monument, now lost, is also known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clito4.jpg


An interesting aspect of this earlier depiction of the effigy is the inscription for the date of death, showing "QUI OBIT ANN DNI M.CC.XXVIII", i.e. That Died the Year of Our Lord 1228. It is widely accepted that this monument was placed decades after the Count's death in 1128. Some have suggested circa 1160. Since we don't have the actual monument to compare, we can reason that this is a "ready made" effigy, waiting for a name and date to be carved in the border. The Count of Flanders arms are not on his shield. All that would be required is to add the information around the border, but the QUI OBIT ANN DNI M.CC. may have come standard if the effigy dates to the 13th century.

[juan]

Sorry... I just had to.

[Ernst]

Graeme Cook has found an interesting example on Arms and Armour Forum.
http://www.armsandarmourforum.com/forum ... entry16443

Dopfunten, Lyngsjö Kyrka, Skåne. Danish or Swedish knights on the font in Lyngsjo Church, Scania, southern Sweden, late 12th century
Since this shows the Martyrdom of Becket, we can be sure it's not before 1170.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... gsjo-3.htm

[Mike J]

Sorry... I just had to.

Any day now, we will suddenly discover manuscripts with knights wearing bowties.

[Ernst]

A "fez" helmet in the 1818 Engelhardt copy of the, now destroyed, Hortus deliciarum manuscript from 1185:
http://www.numistral.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9400936h

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An early masked helm also appears in this manuscript.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hortus_deliciarum

Hortus deliciarum (Latin for Garden of Delights) is a medieval manuscript compiled by Herrad of Landsberg at the Hohenburg Abbey in Alsace, better known today as Mont Sainte-Odile. It was an illuminated encyclopedia, begun in 1167 as a pedagogical tool for young novices at the convent. It is the first encyclopedia that was evidently written by a woman. It was finished in 1185, and was one of the most celebrated illuminated manuscripts of the period.[1] The majority of the work is in Latin, with glosses in German.
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In 1870, the manuscript was burnt and destroyed when the library housing it in Strasbourg was bombed during a siege on the city. It is possible to reconstruct parts of the manuscript because portions of it had been copied in various sources; Christian Maurice Engelhardt copied the miniatures in 1818, and the text was copied and published by Straub and Keller between 1879 and 1899.