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History: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_of_Ib ... f_Limassol
Guy of Ibelin (Fr: Guy d'Ibelin) (died 29 March 1367) was the dominican bishop of Limassol, Cyprus from 27 April 1357 until his death. He belonged to the noble Cypriot house of Ibelin, closely linked by intermarriage with the kings of Cyprus. His father Balian of Ibelin (d. 28 October 1333), Lord of Arsuf, was a direct descendant of the first Balian of Ibelin, an important crusader. His mother, Margaret of Ibelin, continued to hold the title Lady of Arsuf after her husband's death. In the second half of the fourteenth century the fortunes of the house of Ibelin were in decline, as the once-powerful family became extinct. Guy's brother Philip became the last Ibelin to hold the title Lord of Arsuf. He was executed in Genoa in late 1373 for taking part in the assassination of King Peter I of Cyprus in 1369; King James I of Cyprus subsequently bestowed the title on John of Neviles, viscount of Nicosia, in 1389.
Source: http://www.persee.fr/doc/bch_0007-4217_ ... _74_1_2496

1367, Inventory of Guy d'Ibelin, Bishop of Limassol
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item curasses de Domas 3, vendues B. 32 d. 33 ;
Item, 3 Damascus (or Damascened?) cuirasses, sold for 32 Besants. 33 deniers
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item un coffre où fut trové les choze ci après nommées, lesquels furent vandues pour B. 35 d. 13:
Item, A chest where the things named below were found, which were sold for 35 Besants, 13 deniers.
premiers un chapiau de fer aveuc un camail, vandu B. 8 d. 1 ;
First, a kettle hat with a camail, sold B.8, d.1
item un bassinet sens camail, autrement appelé servelière, vandu deniers 42 ;
Item, a bascinet without camail, otherwise called a cervelliere, sold d. 42
item une masse de fer, vendue B. 1 d. 39 ;
Item, an iron mace, sold B. 1, d. 39
item un fer de glave, vandu B. 1 ;
Item, a glaive (or lance) head of iron, sold B.1
item un rochet de fer, vandu den. 24 ;
Item, a "ratchet" of iron, sold d.24 (The source translator suggests some type of dagger, others consider it a lance coronel)
item un gippon d'armes, vendu B. 5 d. 1 ;
Item, a jupon of arms, sold B. 5, d. 1
item un par d'estivaus sinples, vendus Β. 5 ;
Item, a pair of simple boots, sold B. 5
item un autre par d'estivaus garnis de fer, vendus B. 8 ;
Item, another pair of boots, garnished with iron, sold B. 8
item ledit coffre desus dit, vendu Β. 5 d. 2 ;
Item, the said chest above, sold B. 5, d. 2

item fut trové un autre coffre ouquel se trevèrent les chozes ci après escriptes, lesquels furent vandues pour B. 42 d. 43 :
Item, another chest was discovered in which the things written below were found, which was sold for B.42, d. 43
premiers 2 curasses de fer couvertes de velut vermeil, vendues B. 12 ;
First, 2 cuirasses of iron covered with vermilion velvet, sold B. 12
item un gippon d'armes garni aveuc manches de mailles, vendu B. 7 d. 12 ;
Item, a jupon of arms garnished with sleeves of mail, sold B. 7., d. 12
item un par d'avambras de fer, vendus B. 2 1/2 ;
Item, a pair of iron vambraces, sold B. 2 1/2
item un par de manches de mailles et une faudes, vendues B. 6 d. 28 ;
Item, a pair of mail sleeves and a fauld (paunce), sold B.6, d. 28
item un par de soulers de fer, vendus B. 1 den. 13 ;
Item, a pair of iron solerets (sabatons), sold B. 1, d. 13
item une dague, vendue B. 7 ;
Item, a dagger, sold B. 7
item 5 douzenes d'aguilletes pour armer, de cuir blanc, vendues B. 1 d. 12 ;
Item, 5 dozen arming points of white leather, sold B. 1, d. 12
item et la coffre desusdit, vandu B. 5 d. 2 ;
Item, and the aforesaid chest sold for B. 5, d. 2
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Item dedens la seconde chambre furent trovées les chozes ci après nommées, lesquels furent vandues B. 449 d. 43 :
Item, in the second room were found things named below, which were sold for 449 Besants, 43 deniers
premiers 3 bouclers fais à l'armineze de fust, vendus B. 2 d. 23 ;
First, 3 bucklers made in the Armenian fashion, sold B. 2, d. 23
item 2 targetes, vendues B. 5 ;
Item, 2 targes (round shields), sold B. 5
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item une malete de cuir aveuc autres harnès viel de ronsins, vandue B. 1 ;
Item, a leather case with another aged harness for a nag, sold B. 1
item une petite gizarme, vendue B. 1 d. 3 ;
Item, a small guisarme, sold B. 1, d. 3
item un piesse de grève, vendue d. 6 ;
Item, a piece of a greave, sold d. 6
item un par d'estriers, sur sire Jaque de Bon, vendu d. 23 ;
Item, a pair of stirrups, surety of Sir Jaque de Bon, sold d. 23
item 2 brides, vandues B. 2 d. 13 ;
Item, 2 bridles, sold B. 2, d. 13
item un mors de bride, vandu den. 8 ;
Item, a curb bit, sold d. 8
item une bezasses de cuir aveuc sarure de fer, vendue B. 4 d. 10 ;
Item, a leather bezasses with an iron lock, sold B. 4, d. 10
item une cote de fer et un par de gantelés, vendus B. 9 1/2 ;
Item, an iron coat and a pair of gauntlets, sold B. 9 1/2 (coat of mail?)
item une salle de chevaul pour armeslaquel fut vendue aveuc le chevaul ;
Item, a horse saddle for arms which was sold with the horse.
item une aubelestre vielle, vendue B. 1 d. 26 ;
Item, and aged crossbow, sold B. 1, d. 26
item une selle de malle pour ronsin, vendue B. 6 d. 24 ;
Item, a pack saddle for a nag, sold B. 6, d. 24
item un par de panels de salle viels, vandus den. 8 ;
Item, a pair of old saddle panels, sold d. 8 (perhaps pads)
item une ratière de fer, vandue den. 28 ;
Item, an iron ratière, sold d. 28 (possibly a stable rake - râteau?)
item une piesse de plate de fer, vendue den. 4 ;
Item, a piece of a plate of iron, sold d. 4 (remnants of a pair of plates)
item une piesse de grève de fer vielle, vendue den. 6 ;
Item, a piece of an old iron greave, sold d. 6
item un bassinet de fer aveuc son camaïlh, lequel fut rendus à sire Raymon Bezasse car il estoit siens ;
Item, and iron bascinet with it's camail, which was returned to Sir Raymon Bezasse, for it was his.
item une cote de mailles de fer, vandue B. 6 den. 12 ;
Item, an iron coat of mail, sold B. 6, d. 12
item une par de gantelés de petite valor, vandus B. 1 den. 13 ;
Item, a pair of gauntlets of little strength, sold B. 1, d. 13
item 3 fais de flèches pour arc, vendus B. 1 ;
Item 3 sets(?) of arrows for the bow, sold B. 1
item 2 fardeles de viratons pour aubelestre, vendus den. 24 ;
Item, 2 packages of bolts for the crossbow, sold d. 24
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item un canon d'arain pour faire feue, vendu B. 2 den. 30 ;
Item, a cannon of brass to make fire, sold B. 2, d. 30 (Greek fire, or an early firearm?)
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item un couler de fer, vendu den. 31 ;
Item, an iron collar, sold d. 31
item une chappe petite armineze, vandue B. 2 ;
Item, a small Armenian hat, sold B. 2 (perhaps cloth, not armor)
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item un covressas de fer, covertes de cuir noir, vendues B. 7 ;
Item, a covering of iron, covered in black leather, sold B. 7 (possibly horse armor)
item un chapiau de fer, vandu den. 12 ;
Item, a hat of iron (kettle hat), sold d. 12
item un par de brasselés de fer, vandus B. 4 den. 28 ;
Item, a pair of iron bracelets, sold B. 4, d. 28 (Some sort of plate arm harness.)
.....
item un coutel garni d'argent aveuc mainche de courail vermeil, vendu B. 20 ;
Item, a knife garnished with silver and a handle of vermilion coral, sold B. 20
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item une plates de fer covertes de cuir blanc, vandues B. 7 d. 2 ;
Item, a (pair of) plates of iron covered with white leather, sold B. 7, d. 2
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item une bezasses de cuir, vandues B. 3 d. 5 ;
Item, a leather bezasses
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The ronsins appears to be connected with the saddle leather:

item une malete de cuir aveuc autres harnès viel de ronsins
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item une selle de malle pour ronsin
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item une salle vielle de ronsin sans nulle garniture
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item une salle de ronsin nude
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item un grant cuir de ronsin tané
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item un par de manches de mailles et une faudes, vendues B. 6 d. 28 ;
Item, a pair of mail sleeves and a fauld (paunce), sold B.6, d. 28
This is very interesting. Thanks :D
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I would rather guess that it referred to the type of horse it was for---as I remember Rocinante Rocin ante as used by Cervantes for Don Quixote's "steed" Rocin can be translated as "nag"...
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item un par de panels de salle viels, vandus den. 8 ;
Item, a pair of old saddle panels, sold d. 8 (perhaps pads)
It might be the shaped pad that tied to the underside of the saddle, or it might be a removable padding for the rider. My suspicion is the former.
item un rochet de fer, vandu den. 24 ;
Item, a "ratchet" of iron, sold d.24 (The source translator suggests some type of dagger, others consider it a lance coronel)
A rocket is generally thought to be a lance head. If I recall correctly, Duarte's recommendations on how carefully they should be affixed to the lance shafts confirms their identity. I don't know if the term refers only to coronels or if it applies to war heads as well.

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Thomas,
Thanks for that. Although the inventory is in French, there are Italian loan words appearing frequently, where it's ronzino. So a nag or hack, equipment for a small riding horse, then.

Mac,
I rather agree. The article seems to lean towards the panel being the pad beneath the saddle frame, but I'm unsure why he thinks the rochet is a dagger.

Jason,
I'm more interested n the fact that "complete" armors are apparently kept in separate chests, and this entry:
item un gippon d'armes garni aveuc manches de mailles, vendu B. 7 d. 12 ;
Item, a jupon of arms garnished with sleeves of mail, sold B. 7., d. 12

I wonder if the "jupon of arms" isn't rather like the loudel of Dom João I from a few decades later, but with attached mail sleeves?
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Lots of linguistic stirring in the Mediterranean which is why it hit me as a possibility not even taking in account spelling variabilities...
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Could Cypriote French Roncin = London English Rouncey?
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Sean M wrote:Could Cypriote French Roncin = London English Rouncey?
It seems so.
rouncey, rounsey: From Anglo-Norman rouncie, runcin, Old French roncin, from Late Latin runcinus, of uncertain origin.
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Do I understand this correctly? This 1336 Ordonnance seems interesting in that regard, as it seems to require the Lord to "fill out" men with some missing arms who have horses (cheval), but does not oblige him to do so if the man at arms is riding a palfrey (palefroit) or rouncey (ronchi)?

https://books.google.com/books?id=gBFQA ... ES&f=false
Premiers, se uns hommes a cheval d'armes k'il tiengne en non de cheval d'armes ou ronchi pour iestre sups armes, li sires le doit avoir; mais s'il a palefroit ou ronchi qu'il ne tiengne en non de cheval d'armes ou que sus n'ait estet armés, li sires ne le doit mies avoir.
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A pair of bucklers made in the Armenian fashion? I am curious about this.
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clothier the slow wrote:A pair of bucklers made in the Armenian fashion? I am curious about this.
Biblioteca dell’Isola di San Lazzaro degli Armeni MS. 424 is an Armenian Alexander Romance manuscript, but I don't see any shields in the few available images.
http://s4.postimg.org/87zow2fzh/142084808.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/4f4i1nrkx/mediev ... script.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/q58z6uafz/Alex.jpg

The images do seem quite similar in style to the other Alexander Romance in the neighboring Trebizond Empire:
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?manuscript=4893

Perhaps a detailed examination of similarly armed figures might provide a clue? The source document only suggests they might be wood bucklers.
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The images does answer some questions as I have been trying for months to get good images of Armenian armor. There is one image that does depict a buckler. It shows a king mounted on horse with a small white shield in what would be his left arm.
So it could be a small round shield either constructed of wood or metal. But most likely it would have been constructed of metal. Armenia (before Lenin) was a country that had large iron deposits and was noted for the quality of their metal work.
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