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i should have the plates all put into my coat of plates tonight, my greathelm should be here by haloween, so now i guess i just need matching arms and legs. i have a set os splinted arms right now, and i was thinking of making quilted legs, i'm aiming for something visby-ish


does that work?
if not what does?

*edited for this url*

http://uk.geocities.com/the_isles/flamewar/legharness.htm

i'm thinking a leg harness similar to this
any feedback is a good thing.

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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

[This message has been edited by Tybolt (edited 08-11-2002).]

Tybolt, we need a little more to go on. From what you've described so far im assuming your doing sometime in the first half of the 14th century, but that leaves a lot of room for variation.

What specific time period are you trying for, what region, and what social class?

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Otto von Aachen
Kingdom of the Outlands, Canton of Hawks Hollow

yea, sory bout that, posted it when i was kinda half asleep.
re-reading it does make it sound a little painfull.

basicly i'm going for a man at arms i supose. seeing as how i do hae one of those new fangles coat of plate and hope to have all my bis covered.

and yea, early half of the 14th century, the point in time when a wisby type coats of plates would have been a new and snazzy thing.
not sure exactly what year that would be, wisby was 1361, right? the CoP's were something like 50 years out of date?
so i guess around 1310-20... wow, sounds so early.

as for location, i'm not really sure yet. i'm leaning to all those german like areas right now, so why not go with that, say uhm i dont know ny german cities from that time. but yea, somewhere in modern germany.

i hope that fills in some of the blanks

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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

Well, COP's were pretty common all through the first half of the century, and its not until the 1380's that a solid steel breastplate could be considered to be pretty standard, so with your greathelm you could do anything from 1300-1350 easily, and the COP itself would be good up until the mid 1370's. The padded chausses were common all through the first half of the century as well, though they were usually worn under mail chausses. The closer you move towards 1350, the more likely you are to have some form of splinted leg defences, especially if your doing a German persona, so you might consider going that route. I would personally want a little more protecting my thigh then a few layers of padded cloth,and splinted really does look good in addition to taking some of the sting out of those thigh shots.

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Otto von Aachen
Kingdom of the Outlands, Canton of Hawks Hollow

i was thinking of maybe hiding splints inside the chanels, just cause i kinda like the look of quilted armour.

quick edit here..
anyone know a good site i can find brasses and woodcuts and the like?

i'm having a positivily evil time trying to find them


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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

[This message has been edited by Tybolt (edited 08-12-2002).]

Here's a whole slew of 14th century brasses:

http://users.vnet.net/burts/brassscans/brasses.html

-Donasian.

Donasian --

Thank you VERY much for this link, very useful!

I'm having trouble finding any for the period of 1290-1310. Are there any extant and/or online that you can point out?

BTW -- I notice de Creke and d'Aubernon both seem to sport some type of fluted helm. Were these like a sort of cervelliere to be worn beneath a great helm, or stand-alones, or --?

If one were to approximate something like this for SCA-type regs, what would you (plural, meaning anybody out there that can, please do answer) do for the face? What could one do for the face in a group or society that requires _no bars_?

Are there any armourers out there already doing these (fluted)?

thanks for the brasses..

i noticed rondels on a few of the shoulders in there, would those be besagews or something else??

also i found one other good site for brasses ectera

http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/picture_library.htm

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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:

Tybolt,
While that site is an excellent source for English brasses, i wouldn't base too much of my kit off them if your going for a German look. German armor developed quite differently then that of other regions, and things that would be very common in an Englishman or Italian would be much rarer for a German. As for finding brasses or incised slabs depicting German armor, your going to be in for a bit of a search. There just isn't a lot available on the web, and unless you speak German you will find that there aren't a whole lot of books that you will find useful either. I've personally been researching German armor in the second half of the 14th century for about the last six months, and i've had much better luck finding pictures of extant German armor then i have brasses or incised slabs depicting armor. It's not an impossible subject to research, but don't expect it to be nearly as easy as researching English, French or Italian armor styles from that same period.

http://www.siue.edu/COSTUMES/COSTUME3_INDEX.HTML

If you take a look at the last set of plates on that page you can get a very basic idea of what German style in costume and armor was, and can compare it with other plates to see how it differed from the neighboring regions. I wouldn't base my entire harness on these plates, but they give you a decent starting point.


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Otto von Aachen
Kingdom of the Outlands, Canton of Hawks Hollow

[This message has been edited by Edmund Greyfox (edited 08-13-2002).]