Prince Jaroslav's Helmet

Halvgrimr · Post by **Halvgrimr** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 2:57 pm

I used to have some real good color pics of the remains of the helm attributed to Jarosalv but I seem to have misplaced them.

I recall that they used to be available via the web but prelimanary searches turn up nothing.

anyone else have these images some where?
I know Dmitriy has some line drawings on his site but I was hoping for actual images.

Halvgrimr

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:12 pm

The line drawings are fairly accurate.. I am about to leave for Great Western, but if you e-mail me on Monday I can send you the color photo I got from Egfroth a while back.

-D

Halvgrimr · Post by **Halvgrimr** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:18 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dmitriy:
The line drawings are fairly accurate.. I am about to leave for Great Western, but if you e-mail me on Monday I can send you the color photo I got from Egfroth a while back.

-D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah, they are great, im just looking for something that i think i can only see on the original (ie a mark on the helm)

im trying to decide if i think its nasal is similar to the remains of a Scandinavia helm nasal, i dont think it is but its nagging me in the back of my mind for some reason.

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Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:43 pm

I haven't seen a nasal like that west of Poland.. Note the curve in the profile, and the arches over the brow.

Halvgrimr · Post by **Halvgrimr** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:49 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dmitriy:
I haven't seen a nasal like that west of Poland.. Note the curve in the profile, and the arches over the brow.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

--yeah, i know its a stretch but take a look at the eyebrow/nasal found at Tjele

http://www.missouri.edu/~rls555/SCA/temp/facemaskTjeleDenmark.jpg

i know its a stretch and the more i look at it i doubt there is any resemblance but i just want to look at the remnants

no hurry really

Halvgrimr
ps it looks a lot more similar to the Vendal 14 helm to me at the moment, the brows are similar and they both share the rivet hole dead center of the piece.

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:06 pm

Hey, that's neat. Details?
I assume it's from the Dominic/Tweedle book..
-D

Halvgrimr · Post by **Halvgrimr** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:13 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dmitriy:
Hey, that's neat. Details?
I assume it's from the Dominic/Tweedle book..
-D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tweddle mentions it but thanks to Ny Bjorn I have some new sources for some lesser know helms/pieces of helms and hopefully real soon I will be adding the info to my site, plus I think im going to revamp my page a little, the longer it is up the more I think it looks a little cheesey in appearance.

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:56 pm

Halvgrim,

I have several pics, including some nice close-ups (a little dark, but lovely detail) sent to me by a nice person on (I think) this list - lost his name; typical.

I'll search it up and send them to you.

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Egfroth

"I can hear the word money from a distance of fifty miles, if the wind's in the right direction"

Major Dennis Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.)

see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos

Halvgrimr · Post by **Halvgrimr** » Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Egfroth:
Halvgrim,

I have several pics, including some nice close-ups (a little dark, but lovely detail) sent to me by a nice person on (I think) this list - lost his name; typical.

I'll search it up and send them to you.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks Eggie

Halvgrimr

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 3:43 am

Halvgrim,

I have two pics in Bitmap form - I had 3, but one got corrupted. The thing is, they're each about 5 Mb. Do you have the capacity to receive them? I can convert to jpeg, but will probably lose some detail.

I take it, by the way, you've got the other photo (sort of golden, front view) that's on my website at http://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/JarslavHelm.html ?

Regarding your question about the nasal/eyebrows, the Nicolle book "Arms and Armour of the Crusading period" has a couple of line drawings of this helmet, which seem to indicate that the eyebrows are made in more than one piece, with additional bits adding thickness to the eyebrows, riveted on.

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Egfroth

"I can hear the word money from a distance of fifty miles, if the wind's in the right direction"

Major Dennis Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.)

see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos

Cunian · Post by **Cunian** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 8:02 am

Egfroth - Looking at the photo of the original from your webpage - it looks like it has rivet holes around the nasal. Can you see any better from your sources? Does it look like it would be for an edging, as in the Coppergate Helm? Or perhaps a mail drape?

Egfroth · Post by **Egfroth** » Sat Oct 12, 2002 9:06 pm

Yes, there are holes around the nasal. Whether they're for rivets, mail or what - your guess is as good as mine. However, ther don't seem to be holes around the rim of the helmet, as would probably be the case if a mail curtain had been attached. Who knows?

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Egfroth

"I can hear the word money from a distance of fifty miles, if the wind's in the right direction"

Major Dennis Bloodnok, Queen's Forty-Third Deserters (retd.)

see my webpage at www.geocities.com/egfrothos

Halvgrimr · Post by **Halvgrimr** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:17 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Egfroth:
Halvgrim,

I have two pics in Bitmap form - I had 3, but one got corrupted. The thing is, they're each about 5 Mb. Do you have the capacity to receive them? I can convert to jpeg, but will probably lose some detail.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, i have the capacity to do so.
and i will take a look at the other pic on your site also for a refresher

thanks again

Halvgrimr

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